Recession? What recession? The Bushes Buy Fine China for almost 1/2 a mil.

deepimpact2 · #1 01-08-2009, 01:45 PM

The timing is terribly wrong. I don't care whose funds were used for the purchase. I also don't care about the fact that the china will be used to serve dignitaries and that it is a part of the historical legacy of the mansion.

I also don't buy the notion that the china belongs to all of us. Last I checked American citizens can barely get near the White House, let alone even VISIT it. How does the china belong to us?

KSig RC · #2 01-08-2009, 01:59 PM

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I also don't buy the notion that the china belongs to all of us. Last I checked American citizens can barely get near the White House, let alone even VISIT it. How does the china belong to us?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/tours/

deepimpact2 · #3 01-08-2009, 02:33 PM

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/tours/

And your point in posting this is...

MysticCat · #4 01-08-2009, 02:36 PM

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And your point in posting this is...

You said, "American citizens can barely get near the White House, let alone even VISIT it." His point in posting it was to show that your statement was not accurate and that Americans can, in fact, visit the White House. Many do.

KSigkid · #5 01-08-2009, 02:50 PM

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People are pissed off that a private foundation has paid for a new set of dinnerware for the White House?

Agreed - again, maybe bad public relations move, but other than that, no issue with me.

For those who have a problem with it, ask yourself this: do you think that the Obamas should skimp on furnishing the White House when they move in? Or, should they be able to decorate as they please? As I said, I have no problem with it at all, I think that each President should be able to utilize the donations as they please, decorating the White House and buying whatever flatware they desire.

I'm thinking at least some of the criticism comes more out of a dislike for Bush than it does out of a problem with the spending choices.

DaemonSeid · #6 01-08-2009, 02:55 PM

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I'm thinking at least some of the criticism comes more out of a dislike for Bush than it does out of a problem with the spending choices.

Maybe even a combination of both.

Bush admin. is not popular (approval rating hovering somewhere near freezing) + bad economy + Bush Admin spending money on some china (regardless how it's paid for) = some harsh criticism considering the timing.

KSigkid · #7 01-08-2009, 03:04 PM

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Maybe even a combination of both.

Bush admin. is not popular (approval rating hovering somewhere near freezing) + bad economy + Bush Admin spending money on some china (regardless how it's paid for) = some harsh criticism considering the timing.

Agreed, exactly my point. It's not so black and white as being poorly-timed because of the economy, because I don't think some people would be bothered if the Obamas were making the purchase.

(And, to be fair, if things were reveresed you may have some conservatives criticizing the President-Elect if his White House made the purchases).

deepimpact2 · #8 01-08-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

Agreed - again, maybe bad public relations move, but other than that, no issue with me.

For those who have a problem with it, ask yourself this: do you think that the Obamas should skimp on furnishing the White House when they move in? Or, should they be able to decorate as they please? As I said, I have no problem with it at all, I think that each President should be able to utilize the donations as they please, decorating the White House and buying whatever flatware they desire.

I'm thinking at least some of the criticism comes more out of a dislike for Bush than it does out of a problem with the spending choices.

When the Obamas move in, there is a warehouse of furniture that they can choose from. In furnishing the White House they will not be spending a great deal of money the way people wish to believe. Until the Obamas actually move in, it really is pointless to bring up that issue.

As for the part about the dislike of Bush, I dare say that those who don't think it is a poor choice in this economy are saying that because they are Bush supporters.

It should occur to you that some people have the ability to prevent their dislike of Bush from clouding their judgment in all matters that concern him. For instance, I don't like Bush. I think he is a horrible president, but I was still appalled and angry that someone dared to throw a shoe at him. He did not deserve that kind of disrespect. So when I have issue with themoney spent on the china, it is not because of my dislike for him, it is because I think it was a poor choice in this economy.

epchick · #9 01-08-2009, 03:25 PM

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As for the part about the dislike of Bush, I dare say that those who don't think it is a poor choice in this economy are saying that because they are Bush supporters.

It should occur to you that some people have the ability to prevent their dislike of Bush from clouding their judgment in all matters that concern him. For instance, I don't like Bush. I think he is a horrible president, but I was still appalled and angry that someone dared to throw a shoe at him. He did not deserve that kind of disrespect. So when I have issue with themoney spent on the china, it is not because of my dislike for him, it is because I think it was a poor choice in this economy.

I don't think it's a poor choice......and i'm not a Bush supporter. Shocker!

They've got the china, it wasn't paid with your tax money---Seriously, just get over it.

KSigkid · #10 01-08-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

When the Obamas move in, there is a warehouse of furniture that they can choose from. In furnishing the White House they will not be spending a great deal of money the way people wish to believe. Until the Obamas actually move in, it really is pointless to bring up that issue.

As for the part about the dislike of Bush, I dare say that those who don't think it is a poor choice in this economy are saying that because they are Bush supporters.

It should occur to you that some people have the ability to prevent their dislike of Bush from clouding their judgment in all matters that concern him. For instance, I don't like Bush. I think he is a horrible president, but I was still appalled and angry that someone dared to throw a shoe at him. He did not deserve that kind of disrespect. So when I have issue with themoney spent on the china, it is not because of my dislike for him, it is because I think it was a poor choice in this economy.

Well, I'm not a Bush supporter, MysticCat isn't a Bush supporter, epchick isn't a Bush supporter, Munchkin isn't a Bush supporter, and KSigRC isn't a Bush supporter. So, that makes a group of us who aren't Bush supporters, but don't think it's a big deal.

I also wasn't pointing directly at you in making my comment - I was more making the comment generally.

TexasWSP · #11 01-09-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

When the Obamas move in, there is a warehouse of furniture that they can choose from. In furnishing the White House they will not be spending a great deal of money the way people wish to believe. Until the Obamas actually move in, it really is pointless to bring up that issue.

As for the part about the dislike of Bush, I dare say that those who don't think it is a poor choice in this economy are saying that because they are Bush supporters.

It should occur to you that some people have the ability to prevent their dislike of Bush from clouding their judgment in all matters that concern him. For instance, I don't like Bush. I think he is a horrible president, but I was still appalled and angry that someone dared to throw a shoe at him. He did not deserve that kind of disrespect. So when I have issue with themoney spent on the china, it is not because of my dislike for him, it is because I think it was a poor choice in this economy.

Why was it a "poor choice"? It wasn't paid for with your taxpayer money so what's the big deal?

I think you can point to several more instances of spending that could be far more detrimental to our economy than the act of buying some dinnerware. Think: "Bailout"

ThetaPrincess24 · #12 01-08-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

I'm thinking at least some of the criticism comes more out of a dislike for Bush than it does out of a problem with the spending choices.

Agreed!

deepimpact2 · #13 01-08-2009, 03:14 PM

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You said, "American citizens can barely get near the White House, let alone even VISIT it." His point in posting it was to show that your statement was not accurate and that Americans can, in fact, visit the White House. Many do.

In fact I did NOT say that Americans CANNOT visit the White House. I said they BARELY can visit. So he did not show that my statement was not accurate. He showed that he did not properly read and comprehend the sentence. There is a difference. I stand by my original statement. I will add that it is extremely difficult to get an opp to visit the White House. You have to jump through major hoops. Too many hoops for the "china to belong to all of us."

KSig RC · #14 01-08-2009, 03:30 PM

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In fact I did NOT say that Americans CANNOT visit the White House. I said they BARELY can visit. So he did not show that my statement was not accurate. He showed that he did not properly read and comprehend the sentence. There is a difference. I stand by my original statement. I will add that it is extremely difficult to get an opp to visit the White House. You have to jump through major hoops. Too many hoops for the "china to belong to all of us."

Oh. (LOL? Come on.)

Actually, I'll edit this, because this is completely ridiculous - you said "people can barely get near the White House, let alone even visit it" and now you want me to believe you meant "let alone can barely even visit it"? OK - dude, it's OK to misstep every once in a while. It actually adds credibility. But hey - let's ignore all context clues and pretend MysticCat and I are idiots instead! Scrabble for rolls?

On the whole, though, you're being kind of . . . unfair? Short-sighted? I mean, the china was ordered a long time ago, and they can't control when it arrives, so . . .

DaemonSeid · #15 01-08-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

Oh. (LOL? Come on.)

Actually, I'll edit this, because this is completely ridiculous - you said "people can barely get near the White House, let alone even visit it" and now you want me to believe you meant "let alone can barely even visit it"? OK - dude, it's OK to misstep every once in a while. It actually adds credibility. But hey - let's ignore all context clues and pretend MysticCat and I are idiots instead! Scrabble for rolls?

On the whole, though, you're being kind of . . . unfair? Short-sighted? I mean, the china was ordered a long time ago, and they can't control when it arrives, so . . .

actually...as of today..you can barely get near it....