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ISUKappa · #1 01-03-2009, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I don't really like how some women put such a heavy emphasis on natural childbirth...even going so far as to make women feel as if any other route makes you less of a woman and less of a mom. I personally have no need to be a hero and IF I ever have kids, I would prefer a C-section.

I will say upfront that I had two completely medicated childbirths (Yay epidurals!) and I am very happy with how their births and recovery (and my recovery) went. I will definitely say even though my second child was very large, the recovery was actually easier than with my first.

However, there is some merit for having a drug-free birth. Everything I've read, and the friends I've talked to who have had a natural childbirth, say their baby is more awake and alert right after delivery, responds to nursing right away better and the recovery was much less painful than if they had a previous medicated birth.

As far as Cesareans go, I think a lot of people don't realize that is Major Surgery. Recovery time is increased and the recovery itself is often more difficult than a vaginal birth. Many OBs will not do elective Cesareans unless medically necessary. And having a c/s doesn't guarantee a painless birth - unless it's an emergency and you're knocked out.

As with anything in life, you have to do the research and decide for yourself what's best for you and your family. I get annoyed with the holier-than-thou moms, too, even though I am friends with some. I just choose not to let it affect me. I own my birthing and parenting skills and they can screw it if they don't approve.

deepimpact2 · #2 01-03-2009, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ISUKappa

I will say upfront that I had two completely medicated childbirths (Yay epidurals!) and I am very happy with how their births and recovery (and my recovery) went. I will definitely say even though my second child was very large, the recovery was actually easier than with my first.

However, there is some merit for having a drug-free birth. Everything I've read, and the friends I've talked to who have had a natural childbirth, say their baby is more awake and alert right after delivery, responds to nursing right away better and the recovery was much less painful than if they had a previous medicated birth.

As far as Cesareans go, I think a lot of people don't realize that is Major Surgery. Recovery time is increased and the recovery itself is often more difficult than a vaginal birth. Many OBs will not do elective Cesareans unless medically necessary. And having a c/s doesn't guarantee a painless birth - unless it's an emergency and you're knocked out.

As with anything in life, you have to do the research and decide for yourself what's best for you and your family. I get annoyed with the holier-than-thou moms, too, even though I am friends with some. I just choose not to let it affect me. I own my birthing and parenting skills and they can screw it if they don't approve.

Great post!!! And I will definitely do the research if I ever decide to have children.

KSUViolet06 · #3 01-03-2009, 03:32 AM

Tonight's topic on 20/20 was "Extreme Motherhood." One segment featured women who insist on nursing their kids way too long (like we've been talking about here). One woman still nurses her 6 year old boy. There was another whose daughter was I think in THIRD GRADE and still on the boob.

#4 01-03-2009, 03:42 AM

Best wall post of from that Facebook group today:

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My boyfriend loves it when I suck his c**k.

He says it's mind-blowing and it improves the quality of his life.

Maybe I should take pictures of us next time I do that and post it all over FaceBook.

KappaKittyCat · #5 01-03-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ISUKappa

However, there is some merit for having a drug-free birth. Everything I've read, and the friends I've talked to who have had a natural childbirth, say their baby is more awake and alert right after delivery, responds to nursing right away better and the recovery was much less painful than if they had a previous medicated birth.

If you just have an epidural it doesn't affect the child because the drugs aren't in your bloodstream, but in your epidural space. It's a type of nerve block, and while I don't understand the biology myself well enough to explain it, I had two separate individuals, an anesthesiologist and a neonatologist, explain to me that it was different, didn't have an affect on the baby, and that women who refused epidurals for that reason were (in their opinions) dumb.

deepimpact2 · #6 01-03-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by KappaKittyCat

If you just have an epidural it doesn't affect the child because the drugs aren't in your bloodstream, but in your epidural space. It's a type of nerve block, and while I don't understand the biology myself well enough to explain it, I had two separate individuals, an anesthesiologist and a neonatologist, explain to me that it was different, didn't have an affect on the baby, and that women who refused epidurals for that reason were (in their opinions) dumb.

lol

SWTXBelle · #7 01-03-2009, 12:32 PM

I went 12 hours without an epidural for my first labour. Finally had one (OH THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GIFT OF ANESTHESIA) and baby #1 was born about an hour and a half later.
Number #2 - no drugs, nursed her on the delivery table. Numbers 3 and 4 had to be induced - they were going to be HUGE (as it was, #3 was 9 lbs. 2 oz, #4 was 8 lbs. 8 oz.) Thank God I had #3 in the hospital - despite the fact that #2 was smooth, #3 caused massive (as in I lost 4 pints of blood) hemorrhaging. I shudder to think what could have happened had I tried a home birth.
Despite all the differences in their deliveries, the important thing is they are all healthy, intelligent children. My epidurals were perfect - I could still feel contractions, but didn't feel like the pain was going to rip my body in two. Seeing my sister-in-law right after her c-section shaking so violently that the hospital bed was rattling, and hearing of her recovery, made me even more grateful than I had been that I did not have a c-section. I can't imagine doing that electively.
My point? Every delivery is different, as each and every child. I support every woman in her right to her own decisions regarding childbirth and rearing provided they are made with the child's best interests in mind. I have a real problem with self-indulgent mothers who base their decisions on what is going to make THEM feel "better". There is no third grader whose best interests are served by continuing to nurse.

deepimpact2 · #8 01-03-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Seeing my sister-in-law right after her c-section shaking so violently that the hospital bed was rattling, and hearing of her recovery, made me even more grateful than I had been that I did not have a c-section.

What was it that caused her to shake like that?

Jimmy Choo · #9 01-03-2009, 06:38 PM

The crazy momzillas give moms a bad name IMO. If I ever have kids i want to try vaginal birth with an epidural but if that ain't workin'....bring on the c-section. I was a big baby, my fiance was a big baby and we WILL have a newborn the size of a toddler. (I was 10 lbs he was almost 9. I was 24 inches he was 22. I'm 5'7" now and he is 6'5".) I don't want a c-section just to get out of delivery but honestly if my baby is showing signs of distress or I am showing signs of distress let's go with the plan that saves us both! It doesn't make me less of a woman to go that route. Same thing with breast feeding. I'm not planning on it. I was a formula baby and was an insanely healthly kid. My mom said she was freaked out by how infrequently I was sick. It doesn't send me straight to hell to do the same thing to my child.

SWTXBelle · #10 01-03-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Choo

The crazy momzillas give moms a bad name IMO. If I ever have kids i want to try vaginal birth with an epidural but if that ain't workin'....bring on the c-section. I was a big baby, my fiance was a big baby and we WILL have a newborn the size of a toddler. (I was 10 lbs he was almost 9. I was 24 inches he was 22. I'm 5'7" now and he is 6'5".) I don't want a c-section just to get out of delivery but honestly if my baby is showing signs of distress or I am showing signs of distress let's go with the plan that saves us both! It doesn't make me less of a woman to go that route. Same thing with breast feeding. I'm not planning on it. I was a formula baby and was an insanely healthly kid. My mom said she was freaked out by how infrequently I was sick. It doesn't send me straight to hell to do the same thing to my child.

Your best option may be what I did for my two boys - induce early to avoid having to pop out a toddler. As for breastfeeding - I'd recommend giving it a try before making up your mind. It is SO much less expensive, helps YOU get back in shape, and is very convenient. Just cover up, and don't post pictures on Facebook!

deepimpact2 · #11 01-03-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Choo

The crazy momzillas give moms a bad name IMO. If I ever have kids i want to try vaginal birth with an epidural but if that ain't workin'....bring on the c-section. I was a big baby, my fiance was a big baby and we WILL have a newborn the size of a toddler. (I was 10 lbs he was almost 9. I was 24 inches he was 22. I'm 5'7" now and he is 6'5".) I don't want a c-section just to get out of delivery but honestly if my baby is showing signs of distress or I am showing signs of distress let's go with the plan that saves us both! It doesn't make me less of a woman to go that route. Same thing with breast feeding. I'm not planning on it. I was a formula baby and was an insanely healthly kid. My mom said she was freaked out by how infrequently I was sick. It doesn't send me straight to hell to do the same thing to my child.

Great post!!!

I was a formula baby as well and I was also very healthy.

SWTXBelle · #12 01-03-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

What was it that caused her to shake like that?

Reaction to the anesthesia. Plus it is COLD in those delivery rooms.

deepimpact2 · #13 01-03-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Reaction to the anesthesia. Plus it is COLD in those delivery rooms.

That's awful!

Jimmy Choo · #14 01-03-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Reaction to the anesthesia. Plus it is COLD in those delivery rooms.

That's sounds like an allergic reaction and by letting her go thru that sounds like negligence.

ISUKappa · #15 01-03-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KappaKittyCat

If you just have an epidural it doesn't affect the child because the drugs aren't in your bloodstream, but in your epidural space. It's a type of nerve block, and while I don't understand the biology myself well enough to explain it, I had two separate individuals, an anesthesiologist and a neonatologist, explain to me that it was different, didn't have an affect on the baby, and that women who refused epidurals for that reason were (in their opinions) dumb.

That may be true (and oh my GOD I loved my epidurals!) but there are other options to pain relief that may have an effect on the baby. Some smaller hospitals don't have an anesthesiologist on staff and can't give epidurals. They can only offer narcotics through the IV - nubain, stadol, morphine, etc...

There is also always some small risk with an epidural, too. But that goes back to researching and the level of risk you accept with the choice you make. I will probably have an epidural for any more kids I have - I know my body and my pain tolerance is low (and if my kids keep going the way they are, my next one will come out the size of a toddler). And I will share my experiences with people who ask.