indiana university recruitment questions/advice

[HoosierGirl89]

Originally Posted by VAgirl18

As an alum from IU, I can tell you that its ridiculously competitive. Things have changed in the past decade, and seriously, recs are taken with a grain of salt. Houses send thank you notes to those who recommended them, they might get another look, and they may get invited to dinner. Other than that, they really don't mean that much. Legacies are more important, although IU's houses don't normally have many legacies..they end up going to other houses. IU's rush is nowhere near conventional and the biggest reason that women don't receive bids is because they suicide, are rude to the initial houses they don't want only to realize that they should have been nicer, or don't have strong enough grades. Oh, and the question everyone hates the most..."what's your liveout policy?" The point of joining is to get the whole experience and the question tells sorority members that the PNM isn't really focusing on the big picture or wanting the full experience.

While this is good advice, some of the things you say may have been true when you went here but have changed now. You said that not many houses have legacies- the opposite is true. Perhaps your house didn't have many but I know at least 15 girls personally that are legacies to the same house I am, and those are just the girls that I know. I would say each house has at least 10-15 legacies. However, they are in no way an "in" to a house. Basically all it entails is a courtesy invite to a dinner and to 12 party. And I also disagree about the liveout question. Some girls really do want the chance to live off campus and if it comes down to choosing between houses that do and do not allow it, it is important to know before deciding!

I would not discount the value of recs either because having a rec in some houses helps to your overall score during 19 party and will at least have you invited to some pre-rush event. The more things you can do to stand out in a system this large and this competitive, the better.

Also, the reason many girls do not get bids is partially due to suiciding and grades, but a LARGE number of girls who have good grades and good personalities get released prior to pref. I agree that everyone should maximize their options and go to all parties they are invited to, but if someone isn't invited to pref they won't get a bid period.

I feel like deferred rush here is a double-edged sword. It is great that freshmen get a whole semester to assimilate and enjoy college without being in a sorority. However, being here a whole semester makes SO MANY PNM's think they already have an idea of what the "good" houses are, so they don't give others a chance. I would say that there are a good 3-4 chapters (one in particular) here that struggle to get girls to want to join, so until PNM's actually give EVERY house a chance and maximize all of their options, which isn't really the case now, I don't think things at IU have a chance at getting much better.

There are far too many women here who have a strong desire to be in the greek system that fall by the wayside and it is truly unfortunate. VAgirl, I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think that the true reason that so many people go unmatched here is due to the "bed-rush" non-traditional quota system. I am NOT advocating switching to a traditional quota system as the whole foundation of the greek system here is living in the house for 3 (sometimes 2) years. However, it is a hard situation to solve.

Sorry about writing a book, I have A LOT to say on the subject. Anyway, good luck to all going through at IU. The rest of recruitment is about 3 weeks away!

[VAgirl18]

Originally Posted by HoosierGirl89

While this is good advice, some of the things you say may have been true when you went here but have changed now. You said that not many houses have legacies- the opposite is true. Perhaps your house didn't have many but I know at least 15 girls personally that are legacies to the same house I am, and those are just the girls that I know. I would say each house has at least 10-15 legacies. However, they are in no way an "in" to a house. Basically all it entails is a courtesy invite to a dinner and to 12 party. And I also disagree about the liveout question. Some girls really do want the chance to live off campus and if it comes down to choosing between houses that do and do not allow it, it is important to know before deciding!

I would not discount the value of recs either because having a rec in some houses helps to your overall score during 19 party and will at least have you invited to some pre-rush event. The more things you can do to stand out in a system this large and this competitive, the better.

Also, the reason many girls do not get bids is partially due to suiciding and grades, but a LARGE number of girls who have good grades and good personalities get released prior to pref. I agree that everyone should maximize their options and go to all parties they are invited to, but if someone isn't invited to pref they won't get a bid period.

I feel like deferred rush here is a double-edged sword. It is great that freshmen get a whole semester to assimilate and enjoy college without being in a sorority. However, being here a whole semester makes SO MANY PNM's think they already have an idea of what the "good" houses are, so they don't give others a chance. I would say that there are a good 3-4 chapters (one in particular) here that struggle to get girls to want to join, so until PNM's actually give EVERY house a chance and maximize all of their options, which isn't really the case now, I don't think things at IU have a chance at getting much better.

There are far too many women here who have a strong desire to be in the greek system that fall by the wayside and it is truly unfortunate. VAgirl, I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think that the true reason that so many people go unmatched here is due to the "bed-rush" non-traditional quota system. I am NOT advocating switching to a traditional quota system as the whole foundation of the greek system here is living in the house for 3 (sometimes 2) years. However, it is a hard situation to solve.

Sorry about writing a book, I have A LOT to say on the subject. Anyway, good luck to all going through at IU. The rest of recruitment is about 3 weeks away!

Actually, I completely disagree with your statements for a multitude of reasons. Yes, I am an alum from 06, but I still keep up with the members of various chapters at IU and was there for 19 Party this year. I'm not saying that houses won't accept large amounts of legacies, but seriously...legacies are what gets you invited back for 12 if you choose to do so, not recs. Attending dinners and stuff gives you a feel for the system, but it also eggs on dirty rushing or puts into their minds that they want one house or else. Not everyone does their matching the same, so you can't say that it will get them back to 12...don't make it sound like they'll be guaranteed back. I know three people personally who weren't invited back to places for 12 even though they had strong recs...and this was last year.

I've been around the system for a fairly long time and can tell you that in the past five years, the majority of women have dropped out because they didn't want to come back from break early, didn't have the grades, or were just not getting the one house that they wanted back. Its a requirement to attend all parties and all houses that you're invited back to in order to continue into the process. Obviously its a given that if you don't go back for 3 party that you won't get a bid...but, also, a number of houses snap bid and keep it under wraps...some of those houses are on 3rd Street.

The system may not be perfect, but its fine as is. Would you rather have 1600 people going through rush, have them all get a house, and have pledge classes of 70-90 people or would you rather actually KNOW your sisters and every member of your house? Yes, the bed quota may not be ideal, but life isn't always fair and most people who make it to bid day will get a bid somewhere...its their own decision as to whether they accept it or not. The deferred rush is a good idea because it breaks up a massive amount of events and gives women a chance to think about whether or not they'd actually like to be in a house. It also weeds out people for grades and if they don't come back from break early, it also proves that they're not really dedicated to joining. Let the women have a real college experience before they're thrown into a house. Let them get to know the people that they're living around. Let them adjust to college life.

As for the house thing, I already know you're talking about my chapter. Everyone who is associated with IU's greek system surrounds themselves with the stigmas and rumors, so don't even try to hide that. I had the opportunity to join a 3rd Street house and a few others but chose my chapter because I saw beyond the BS and rumors and found real people that I clicked with. Most people don't realize that its the advisors that have been screwing up rush for the chapter for the past few years, not the members themselves..it was never the chapter's idea to bring in others...it was the advisors'.

The liveout question is dumb. If a house is overfilled, then they'll have liveouts...otherwise, you pay a large fee to liveout or are cramped in. As someone who lived out, you miss a lot of things and its far better to be living in and getting the entire experience. It may get annoying and tense, but you're far better off living in your soph and junior year and maybe living out senior year. Why not ask meaningful questions like how you help with your philanthropy or how you know that your sisters will be there for you.

[HoosierGirl89]

Originally Posted by VAgirl18

I had the opportunity to join a 3rd Street house and a few others but chose my chapter because I saw beyond the BS and rumors and found real people that I clicked with.

I don't believe you. But lets just agree to disagree. Knowing what house you're in, I can see where you're coming from.

Originally Posted by HoosierGirl89

I don't believe you. But lets just agree to disagree.

HoosierGirl89, are you in a house?

[VAgirl18]

Originally Posted by OTW

HoosierGirl89, are you in a house?

Didn't she say in another thread that she was going to go through rush again this year?

Originally Posted by VAgirl18

Didn't she say in another thread that she was going to go through rush again this year?

Yep. I just wanted everyone else to see that this was an IU PNM who thinks she knows more about IU Rush than the alumna who actually was in a house.

Hope the IU houses are on the look out for this one.

[VAgirl18]

Originally Posted by OTW

Yep. I just wanted everyone else to see that this was an IU PNM who thinks she knows more about IU Rush than the alumna who actually was in a house.

Hope the IU houses are on the look out for this one.

Seriously. I can't stand when people who haven't been around the system or in it think that they know everything. Obviously she didn't get past one of the rounds last year for a reason. I'm sure she's probably already blacklisted at a few houses. Gotta love the IU system.

[VAgirl18]

Originally Posted by HoosierGirl89

I don't believe you. But lets just agree to disagree. Knowing what house you're in, I can see where you're coming from.

Wow. There go the preconceptions again. You know, not everyone joins the house that people think they will.

[nittanyalum]

How have I missed this trainwreck? These are the rush threads I actually enjoy.

Originally Posted by HoosierGirl89

Hi fellow hoosier! I went through recruitment at IU last year, so if you have any concerns, etc PM me! I would be happy to help you fail horribly at actually receiving an invitation to join a sorority, just like me!

Fixed your post for you.

Originally Posted by HoosierGirl89

I don't believe you. But lets just agree to disagree.

You need to take a big giant step back from the