Day Without A Gay

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

As an avowed heterosexual who fully intends on having children, I have no problem with the term "breeder," and always thought it was tongue-in-cheek. It's not a slur, for goodness sake!

I also saw it as an opposite to the use of the word "straight" to describe heterosexuals implies that there's something crooked about homosexuals.

That's just me. Maybe I'm not that deep.

How 'bout that? *gold star*

Conversely, think about the claiming of the word "queer" by a marginalized community in rejection of (or in addition to) the word "gay."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

How 'bout that? *gold star*

So it's like a tit for tat kind of thing.

And, for the record, some heteros not being offended by "breeder" isn't enough to sink the Titanic if we're simply talking about what may be embedded in our daily language. "Breeder" is only as tongue-in-cheek as the context and the people who receive it. I think it's funny coming from Senusret but in a different context and from someone else I might be like "whoa, bitch."

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Conversely, think about the claiming of the word "queer" by a marginalized community in rejection of (or in addition to) the word "gay."

Yes, marginalized groups have that right. I am also familiar with "queer studies" but I have had homosexual colleagues express that they don't want hetero colleagues using "queer" in most contexts. To which I respond with "OKAY, I will respect." As a member of the majority, I can't tell the minority how to self-identify but I can comment on what is embedded in the language if it is directed at the majority.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yes, marginalized groups have that right. I am also familiar with "queer studies" but I have had homosexual colleagues express that they don't want hetero colleagues using "queer" in most contexts. To which I respond with "OKAY, I will respect." As a member of the majority, I can't tell the minority how to self-identify but I can comment on what is embedded in the language if it is directed at the majority.

I wouldn't feel comfortable, as part of the majority, using that term. "Gay" and "lesbian" are just fine with me.

I think one thinks about this stuff more in academia, even if you're not directly dealing with "queer studies," or even the social sciences, than the non-academic world. Everyone's so damned sensitive in colleges.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Everyone's so damned sensitive in colleges.

You mean, "sensitive" to different points of view in an attempt to reach greater understanding.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You mean, "sensitive" to different points of view in an attempt to reach greater understanding.

Eh, it was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but not really. I think people in the college world are considerably more sensitive about things that those of us outside of academia don't think or care about.

I went to two notoriously politically correct universities, and it was a huge wake-up call when I started working and realized that the real world doesn't work like that. It may have been less severe if I had attended large state universities, but the transition was there all the same.

[LightBulb]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I wouldn't feel comfortable, as part of the majority, using that term. "Gay" and "lesbian" are just fine with me.

I think one thinks about this stuff more in academia, even if you're not directly dealing with "queer studies," or even the social sciences, than the non-academic world. Everyone's so damned sensitive in colleges.

The APA Manual says to say "lesbian" or "gay man," not "homosexual." (Look it up: gay men is in the index.)

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by LightBulb

The APA Manual says to say "lesbian" or "gay man," not "homosexual." (Look it up: gay men is in the index.)

Wha...? I was talking about the use of the word "queer," not "homosexual."

Keep up.

[LightBulb]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Wha...? I was talking about the use of the word "queer," not "homosexual."

Keep up.

Just thought it was interesting. That, or I've been cooped up and sleepless too much this week.

I wouldn't have been lecturing you on the APA Manual if that's what you had said.

[PhiGam]

I think discrimination against gays is legal in some states anyway. The only states where its illegal are:
California
Connecticut
District of Columbia
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington
Wisconsin

And they aren't federally protected either.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I think it's funny coming from Senusret but in a different context and from someone else I might be like "whoa, bitch."

I agree completely. Like my mom always says, "consider the source." If it was someone other than Sensuret, I might be offended. But you can't hate on Sen. Plus there is always a reason to the things he says.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by epchick

I agree completely. Like my mom always says, "consider the source." If it was someone other than Sensuret, I might be offended. But you can't hate on Sen. Plus there is always a reason to the things he says.

This is where I am supposed to knock Sen off of his high horse but I'm afraid he will stop depositing money into my bank accounts.