Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I am in favor of state control, because even under state control I am guaranteed my basic rights, freedoms, and liberties as I would under the federal government. The states simply have the right to exercise general powers (with several exceptions), whereas the federal government only had limited powers, again reserved only to what was enumerated in the Constitution.

As far as the basis of my understanding of the Constitution and whether it is a personal understanding of the document, I'm not sure where you're coming from. My basis of understanding as opposed to what other basis?



Again, it is as a means of checks and balances to prevent any possible abuse of legislative power while preserving the rights of the people and of the states.



I hope this sums up your post in a nutshell, but as previously mentioned, the states have general powers, while the federal government have limited powers. However, our Constitution includes stopgaps to prevent the state government from overstepping its bounds and arbitraily infringing on the rights of the people. Essentially, what the federal government is doing (exercising general powers) is actually what the state governments should be doing, but not to the point of infringing on our civil liberties, which is what the federal government is doing.

So this issue is all a matter of recognition and respect of our basic human rights through the freedoms and liberties we exercise as allowed by our United States Constitution, the balancing of power between federal and state to preserve such rights and freedoms, and the enforcement of the Constitution to prevent infringement of such rights.

In 2008 the Constitution has been largely disregarded and/or manipulated to serve the federal government's own selfish ends, hence the numerous dilemmas our country is in today. My vote for Ron Paul served as an appeal for someone to actively (not passively or flippantly) restore our government to follow the laws as enumerated in our Constitution. I can say in all but absolute certainty that Obama and McCain has not addressed this core issue to a lot of America's problems at all.

And THAT is my primary point of contention.



You're quite welcome.

KAP

I guess maybe I still don't understand then. I don't much see how things would be better if everything goes the way you say it is supposed to go. In fact, I think we would find ourselves in much worse shape.
Also, I don't think Obama and McCain have addressed this issue because I don't think Americans generally feel this way. There are definitely some issues with our constitutional rights being infringed upon, but overall I don't think Americans really feel as strongly about it as you do. I don't think anyone feels this is contributing to the problems of this country.

On a side note, I get so tired of the abortion issue coming up. I don't think it should be a federal issue or a state issue. I think it should be a personal issue, meaning it is left up to the individual whether they want to do it or not. I don't understand where Palin is coming from on this.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I guess maybe I still don't understand then. I don't much see how things would be better if everything goes the way you say it is supposed to go. In fact, I think we would find ourselves in much worse shape.
Also, I don't think Obama and McCain have addressed this issue because I don't think Americans generally feel this way. There are definitely some issues with our constitutional rights being infringed upon, but overall I don't think Americans really feel as strongly about it as you do. I don't think anyone feels this is contributing to the problems of this country.

On a side note, I get so tired of the abortion issue coming up. I don't think it should be a federal issue or a state issue. I think it should be a personal issue, meaning it is left up to the individual whether they want to do it or not. I don't understand where Palin is coming from on this.

Your post sums up my point perfectly as far as the school of popular opinion goes:

Too many Americans grossly underestimate the true power of our Constitution, and because the federal government abused their power for so long, the majority of Americans have been indoctrinated to think that the system is working as intended, when in reality it is not, and hasn't been for most of the 20th century.

Personally I cannot possibly fathom how our country would be in much worse shape if we still had states' rights for primary governmental power and limited government on the federal level, especially considering our country's current state of affairs right here right now in 2008.

Everyone (well darn near) is upset with Bush for ruining our country, but Bush isn't the cause of our problems. His tenure certainly intensified our problems, but he is far from the cause. And IMHO a new president who doesn't have the Constitution first and foremost on his agenda will only serve to compound our problems.

I think as far as the majority of Americans go, we have taken our freedoms and liberty for granted so long, that we fell asleep at the wheel and forgot to hold our governments accountable to follow the Constitution. And because we slept, the government decided to exploit certain incidents (1907 recession, Great Depression, every war since the Korean War) to justify the need to disregard the Constitution under the guise of "safety and security of our nation" and further bolster their unsanctioned power over the American people.

Since collectively we didn't do our job as a people in holding our lawmakers accountable, we truly cannot blame our government for not doing their job in supporting and defending our Constitution.

FWIW, while this certain doesn't excuse Bush's actions while in office, it most definately explains it.

In my opinion only, for anyone to chastise me for placing a vote which if nothing else was to represent my desire to bring back accountability in our government would be to spit a wad of phlegm on our Constitution and our founding fathers who wrote it.

This is not a ploy or plea for anyone to take any specific action on any matter, just expressing my thoughts.

Now get out there and vote!!