McCain's Black Relatives

[XSK_Diamond]

What DaemonSeed said.

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

You're arguing with him about a point he isn't making. He isn't talking about African tribes owning slaves, he is saying that's how the American slaves got here. There wasn't much in the way of white slave catchers in Africa. African tribes would go to war with a neighboring tribe, and then the winner would trade the other tribe to slave-ship owners for goods.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by XSK_Diamond

Slavery has almost always existed. That cannot be disputed. But, to toss out that Africans owned slaves in an attempt to diminish the impact of American slavery is fallacious. West African slavery was not anything like American slavery. America took slavery, and the slave trade, to a level of barbarity that was unprecedented. You should do some research, because you're way off the mark on this.

African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.

Again,.... we know.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.

I really wish some of you could understand how silly and simple some of you sound trying to debate this point...

"Well some black people owned slaves too..."

"But a small percent of white people owned slaves"

"We are sorry about making you all slaves...but dont sue us."

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I really wish some of you could understand how silly and simple some of you sound trying to debate this point...

"Well some black people owned slaves too..."

"But a small percent of white people owned slaves"

"We are sorry about making you all slaves...but dont sue us."

Apparently we all want a big fat reparation check too! Ignorance is catching.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Phrozen1ne

Whoa-
O.k. who the hell said someone owed them anything? I don't look for handouts. Since you want to take it there, how about SOME, not all in this country, like to sweep slavery under the rug like it is something that happened one day and ended the next. I would never compare the enslavement of African Americans to the Holocaust. One doesn't trump the other.

"them" = the other races and nationalities and religions. I never said ALL. If I meant ALL, I would have said ALL. And yes, there are some African Americans who do believe that "we" owe them something. I never said anyone specifically on this board. You would never compare it to the Holocaust, but there are people who would and have.

Originally Posted by XSK_Diamond

You are so wrong on so many levels for writing this... stuff.

Nobody HERE said anything about being owed anything, first of all. Secondly, just because SOME black Americans call for reparations, and other things, doesn't mean that we ALL do! We are not the doggone Borg! We do not share a collective conscious and we do not all do ANYTHING alike.

And, for the record, YES these other ethnic groups DO speak up loudly when they feel they are being disrespected. A prime example is I never see/hear/read anyone saying the same thing about the Anti-Defamation League, or other Jewish groups, when they get their britches in a knot about something.

Freudian slips really aren't slips.

What Freudian slip?

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Huh? The article, that was in this month's Marie Claire, was actually about how the relationship couldn't last because of the tension.

I was just happy that someone brought up other events where people were brutalized (I think I just made that word up) because of what they are. Some (note SOME)* people sweep those events under the rug.

I don't think anyone (ok maybe the KKK and whitepower jackasses) has or will ever forget that slavery existed.

*I said some.

[XSK_Diamond]

*sigh* You're doing exactly what I said. Thanks for making my point.

The few instances you could name does not negate that the NORM of West African slavery (and we are only talking about W. African slavery) was nothing like the NORM of American chattel slavery. As a matter of fact, West Indian slavery was much more brutal than American chattel slavery and some of the barbarism that U.S. slavery got came from there. But, that still does not negate that the norm of W. African slavery was nothing like the norm of American slavery. It was a totally different system, altogether, actually.

And, thanks for not being too condescending to me ... but I have done the research, thanks. Have you done thorough research and not just read the things that would support the position you already held?

Yes, there were a FEW black slave owners in America, too. There have always been blacks that didn't identify with other blacks. So what?

Originally Posted by PhiGam

African slavery was just as bad as American slavery in a lot of cases if you actually do the research, its just convenient to say that it wasn't barbaric.
There were black slave owners in America too.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by XSK_Diamond

*sigh* You're doing exactly what I said. Thanks for making my point.

The few instances you could name does not negate that the NORM of West African slavery (and we are only talking about W. African slavery) was nothing like the NORM of American chattel slavery. As a matter of fact, West Indian slavery was much more brutal than American chattel slavery and some of the barbarism that U.S. slavery got came from there. But, that still does not negate that the norm of W. African slavery was nothing like the norm of American slavery. It was a totally different system, altogether, actually.

And, thanks for not being too condescending to me ... but I have done the research, thanks. Have you done thorough research and not just read the things that would support the position you already held?

Yes, there were a FEW black slave owners in America, too. There have always been blacks that didn't identify with other blacks. So what?

I guess we don't know better....

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

You do realize that your very own ancestors owned slaves, correct?

Very few of the slaves were simply caught by white folks with net or something, most were enslaved by rival tribes and then sold to the white folks.

It may be your own family.

Yes I do and that is why I stated such. Please learn to read.