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[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

He called his beloved grandmother out for her racism but indicated that he loved her anyway. I don't dispute his regard for her. I find the media's not mentioning what the comments were telling about them. That is all.

Jesus Christ, he didn't "call her out" for her "racism". Either you didn't read or hear the entire speech or you just can't or won't see beyond your own defined spectrum of views and what you want to hear/believe or you're just being obtuse.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Jesus Christ, he didn't "call her out" for her "racism". Either you didn't read or hear the entire speech or you just can't or won't see beyond your own defined spectrum of views and what you want to hear/believe or you're just being obtuse.

Nittany, do you not see saying that she was afraid of black men and used racial and ethnic stereotypes as identifying her racism? He did that in the speech.

In a later interview, he says, he's not really racist; she'd just a typical white person.

I'm not making that up or mishearing it. And I'm not the only one who looked at it that way. Clinton supporters regarded it the same way at the time.

I agree with your assessment of the speech overall, but the comments about his grandmother and his equating her with Wright on the other end of the spectrum don't really honor her as she might deserve to be honored.

ETA: I'm not trying to build a case bigger than he talked some crap about his grandmother's racial attitudes and I thought it was noteworthy that the OP mentioned the comments about her, but not what they were. I'm not trying to say that Obama hates white people or anything.


ETA: about bdog, I feel that way about a lot of MyDD, but I felt like you might accept the link to blogger who bills herself as the answer to right wing talk radio.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Nittany, do you not see saying that she was afraid of black men and used racial and ethnic stereotypes as identifying her racism? He did that in the speech.

Yes, he did, to make a LARGER point. Which was obviously lost on you.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Yes, he did, to make a LARGER point. Which was obviously lost on you.

No. I wasn't lost on me; it just didn't negate what he said about her.

I though his speech on race was generally fine, but some points, like this kind of I-have-to-love-both-Wright-and-my-grandmother-who-are-both-capable-of-racism less effective than you apparently did.

ETA: I suppose I should clarify that I do think we are better off accepting people and working with who they are, but I think it was bad to defend his relationship with Wright (an entirely elected one which he did in fact later sever and which prompted at least the timing of the speech if not the very fact that it was made) by drawing an analogy with his grandmother who while flawed, apparently showed him nothing but unconditional love.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

ETA: about bdog, I feel that way about a lot of MyDD, but I felt like you might accept the link to blogger who bills herself as the answer to right wing talk radio.

I don't read blogs, but thanks for knowing me well enough to assume what I will or won't "accept" or be able to understand unless it's written by someone who somehow miraculously holds every single view I do. (and because you seem to only read black or white, I'm adding the note that this should be read with dripping sarcasm, not sure you'll get the nuance)

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I don't read blogs, but thanks for knowing me well enough to assume what I will or won't "accept" or be able to understand unless it's written by someone who somehow miraculously holds every single view I do. (and because you seem to only read black or white, I'm adding the note that this should be read with dripping sarcasm, not sure you'll get the nuance)

Oh, I do. Perhaps it's a shame you don't recognize when other people are pulling your leg.

Maybe it will be slightly funnier if you google the results yourself and you see how many right wing blogs come up long before you get to anyone who would seem objective on the point. I think the first link returned is to Fox.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...earch&aq=f&oq=

Honestly, what would you have said if I posted a link on the topic from Fox news? You know you would have mentioned it, don't you?

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Honestly, what would you have said if I posted a link on the topic from Fox news? You know you would have mentioned it, don't you?

Not if it contained the actual radio interview for me to listen to myself, I wouldn't care where it was posted. Just like you somehow managed to post a link from Huffington in order to deliver the audio. See, we all can stretch when it gets us where we need to go.

Please don't make assumptions about what I would or would not mention, you don't know and for you to phrase it with the "you know you would... don't you?" is just irritating AS SHIT. Thanks.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Not if it contained the actual radio interview for me to listen to myself, I wouldn't care where it was posted. Just like you somehow managed to post a link from Huffington in order to deliver the audio. See, we all can stretch when it gets us where we need to go.

Please don't make assumptions about what I would or would not mention, you don't know and for you to phrase it with the "you know you would... don't you?" is just irritating AS SHIT. Thanks.

Read your posts to me and rate them on a scale of one to ten in terms of how presumptuous they are about motivation and behavior.

I know you find me transparent and predictable. Why would you find it insulting that I find you the same way?

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Read your posts to me and rate them on a scale of one to ten in terms of how presumptuous they are about motivation and behavior.

I know you find me transparent and predictable. Why would you find it insulting that I find you the same way?

You can "find" me any way you like. It's your presentation of things like that last line where you did the "you know you would...don't you?" that's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. I'm not insulted, I don't have nearly enough invested in you to let you have that kind of effect on me. It's that it is a completely ineffective way to communicate and more, for someone like me, a complete turn-off in terms of feeling you're someone I can have any kind of mature, thoughtful discourse with. We've been over this before, though. No surprise to either of us here, I usually just don't click into your posts, but your comments in this thread deserved response, I felt.