Is Obama the Anti-Christ?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Instead of taking wild guesses about how comfortable Obama was, how much Ayers has changed, how bad someone has to be to refuse to be on a committee with them, or any kind of right wing comparison, how about looking at what's actually being said.

McCain's camp, via Palin, is suggesting that Obama supports domestic terrorism. Do you actually think that's true?

Where are you getting this?

I think you are the one making the leap from "comfortable working with unrepentant domestic terrorist" to "supporting domestic terrorism." How far a leap it is is probably better for you to judge.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Where are you getting this?

I think you are the one making the leap from "comfortable working with unrepentant domestic terrorist" to "supporting domestic terrorism." How far a leap it is is probably better for you to judge.

I've read a lot about William Ayers and have read quotes of his talking about how he has regrets and remorse for HOW they did things. I think a lot of young people did a lot of things the wrong way during those very turbulent times when our leaders were being assassinated and anger about Vietnam was rampant. Since he turned himself in (1980), he has done a lot of good for society, especially in the area of education reform. Personally, I believe that many people did things in the late 60's and early 70's that were very wrong, out of anger toward what was happening in our world. Our country was very angry then. I also believe that age brings wisdom and the ability to turn that anger into doing good. I think William Ayers has made that change as evidenced by the good works he does now for education reform and the community. In all honesty, I fear that the anger felt during those times is rekindling, but that's another thread altogether. I don't think, however, that accepting campaign contributions for a state senate seat or sitting on a common board of directors this many years after the fact should mean anything.

She said today: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10...y4502414.shtml

Palin on Saturday painted Obama as someone who “is not a man who sees America as you and I see America,” and on Sunday, Palin did not back down an inch in hammering the Democratic nominee.

“And he, of course, having been associated with that group, a known domestic terrorist group, it's important for Americans to know,” she told CBS News. “It’s really important for Americans to start knowing who the real Barack Obama is."

That clearly implies that he was associated with a group that was active when he was 8 years old.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I've read a lot about William Ayers and have read quotes of his talking about how he has regrets and remorse for HOW they did things. I think a lot of young people did a lot of things the wrong way during those very turbulent times when our leaders were being assassinated and anger about Vietnam was rampant. Since he turned himself in (1980), he has done a lot of good for society, especially in the area of education reform. Personally, I believe that many people did things in the late 60's and early 70's that were very wrong, out of anger toward what was happening in our world. Our country was very angry then. I also believe that age brings wisdom and the ability to turn that anger into doing good. I think William Ayers has made that change as evidenced by the good works he does now for education reform and the community. In all honesty, I fear that the anger felt during those times is rekindling, but that's another thread altogether. I don't think, however, that accepting campaign contributions for a state senate seat or sitting on a common board of directors this many years after the fact should mean anything.

She said today: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10...y4502414.shtml

Palin on Saturday painted Obama as someone who “is not a man who sees America as you and I see America,” and on Sunday, Palin did not back down an inch in hammering the Democratic nominee.

“And he, of course, having been associated with that group, a known domestic terrorist group, it's important for Americans to know,” she told CBS News. “It’s really important for Americans to start knowing who the real Barack Obama is."

That clearly implies that he was associated with a group that was active when he was 8 years old.

Well, except if the "he" I've bolded refers to Ayers, which I suspect it does.

Ayers is the domestic terrorist, and Obama is the guy associating with him.
(http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...defends-a.html if you want to see more context)

Ayers, here in 2001, himself makes clear he doesn't have regrets.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Ma...01/No-Regrets/

Here's wiki too:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ay...sed_since_2001



ETA: I think this is just going to be one of those divides. Some of us are bothered by Ayers and Dohrn and are disgusted by them having positions of authority at mainstream institutions and others are not. Those of us who are disturbed will hold this association against Obama and those who aren't won't.

[AGDee]

Ayres explains those comments in his blog here:

http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/...t-and-fantasy/

and here:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/...sorry-i-think/

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Ayres explains those comments in his blog here:

http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/...t-and-fantasy/

and here:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/...sorry-i-think/

You see apology (well maybe I should say regret and remorse) and I see self-justification without authentic remorse. Oh, well.

[AGDee]

I don't see apology. I see a very long explanation about why he won't use the word apology. However, I also see regret and remorse.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I don't see apology. I see a very long explanation about why he won't use the word apology. However, I also see regret and remorse.

I see rationalization and an unwillingness to take responsibility for the horror of what they visited on their victims, but I've amended my comment above.

ETA:http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/...enemy_too.html

I go back to my Eric Robert Rudolph example and ask if you'd be satisfied with a similar comment from him?