ANTM-Cycle 11

christiangirl · #1 09-12-2008, 01:03 AM

^^^Those are your opinions and I respect your right to have them. With that being said, this conversation is over. Back to our regularly scheduled thread.

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Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

ANYWHO, I don't think Hanna was being a racist, i think she just TOTALLY said the wrong things.

I saw the ep again on Youtube and I totally agree. I think that Hanna has a horrible habit of putting her foot in her mouth. She wasn't discriminating against anyone, but she didn't know how else to describe herself other than using phrases that were totally inappropriate. I felt almost bad for her as she just dug the hole deeper (and the other girls pulling the race card on her didn't help). "Are you prejudiced/racist?" What kind of answer did they expect to a question like that? "Um, of course I am, didn't you know?"

However, I did catch the part just afterward when Hannah said "This is like being gang raped" and that was NOT okay with me.

She said it very quickly, but I can't believe she actually compared a snipe attack of some overly hype girls to something that extreme. I think she just needs to understand that certain comparisons and metaphors are not okay to use because of how others will perceive them, no matter how hard you are trying to get your point across. She won't learn that until she gets her butt kicked in only a way that life can.

RaggedyAnn · #2 09-12-2008, 05:25 AM

christiangirl,

Would you mind posting the link for the show? I've been trying to find it, but I haven't been able to.

Thanks

ASUADPi · #3 09-12-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

^^^Those are your opinions and I respect your right to have them. With that being said, this conversation is over. Back to our regularly scheduled thread.

I saw the ep again on Youtube and I totally agree. I think that Hanna has a horrible habit of putting her foot in her mouth. She wasn't discriminating against anyone, but she didn't know how else to describe herself other than using phrases that were totally inappropriate. I felt almost bad for her as she just dug the hole deeper (and the other girls pulling the race card on her didn't help). "Are you prejudiced/racist?" What kind of answer did they expect to a question like that? "Um, of course I am, didn't you know?"

However, I did catch the part just afterward when Hannah said "This is like being gang raped" and that was NOT okay with me.

She said it very quickly, but I can't believe she actually compared a snipe attack of some overly hype girls to something that extreme. I think she just needs to understand that certain comparisons and metaphors are not okay to use because of how others will perceive them, no matter how hard you are trying to get your point across. She won't learn that until she gets her butt kicked in only a way that life can.

I think you might have missed the point of her "gang rape" remark. She was essentially fed to the wolves. All the girls said was "lets all talk" and then they basically attacked Hannah by calling her racist. She had no clue what she was walking into. That being said, she compared it to being raped. The reality is, women who are raped (or gang raped) don't walk into the situation knowing that is going to happen. That's where her comparision came from. If she had known that they were going to attack her, she most likely wouldn't have walked into the situation, the same as a possible rape victim. Most people aren't "knowingly" going to put themselves in harms way.

That being said I felt Hannah handled the attack with a great amount of dignity. She was calm, she didn't cry in front of them. She said that she wasn't a racist, apologized that they felt she was and said that she was going to bed and walked away. I thought she showed a tremendous amount of class, especially since Joslyn and Brittney obviously have no class (impo).

KDAngel · #4 09-12-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ASUADPi

That being said I felt Hannah handled the attack with a great amount of dignity. She was calm, she didn't cry in front of them. She said that she wasn't a racist, apologized that they felt she was and said that she was going to bed and walked away. I thought she showed a tremendous amount of class, especially since Joslyn and Brittney obviously have no class (impo).

I'm right there with you. She's from a SMALL town and had no idea what was going to happen to her and she did handle it well.

And she made a great point -- even when it was over for her, the other girls would NOT shut up about it. It was ridiculous.

christiangirl · #5 09-12-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RaggedyAnn

christiangirl,

Would you mind posting the link for the show? I've been trying to find it, but I haven't been able to.

Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/user/tausili

This user has posted every episode of every season. I heart her.

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Originally Posted by ASUADPi

I think you might have missed the point....

No, I understood her point exactly and agree totally with your explanation. But when you think about it, her being blindsided and called names is piddly (at best) when compared to someone who was actually gang-raped. Even though it was horrible in that setting and I couldn't believe those girls went there, for Hannah to claim her experience was even comparable to that is just....I just think it was so hyperbolic that it was a little naive. But as it's a sensitive issue with me, I don't expect everyone to analyze it that deeply. Yes, Hanna did handle herself immensely well. I wouldn't have been that calm about it so I admire her for holding it together and not lowering herself to their standards because the girls seem to be extra snarky this cycle.

lyrica9 · #6 09-13-2008, 08:55 PM

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I'm right there with you. She's from a SMALL town and had no idea what was going to happen to her and she did handle it well.

And she made a great point -- even when it was over for her, the other girls would NOT shut up about it. It was ridiculous.

Fairbanks is not THAT small, its close to 40,000 people. my former roommate is from there, and the way she talks about it it's not so small-town feeling either.

what she said was idiotic, and offensive, but they could have handled it better and not ambushed her.

VandalSquirrel · #7 09-13-2008, 11:08 PM

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Fairbanks is not THAT small, its close to 40,000 people. my former roommate is from there, and the way she talks about it it's not so small-town feeling either.

what she said was idiotic, and offensive, but they could have handled it better and not ambushed her.

The whole area has close to 75,000 thousand or so, it is huge. The town proper may have about 40,000 but there are lots of people outside the limits who work and shop in town. I mean they have a giant Sam's Club and more than one Fred Meyer. It isn't like it is my town with 20,000 people, including students.

knight_shadow · #8 09-15-2008, 02:37 AM

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The whole area has close to 75,000 thousand or so, it is huge. The town proper may have about 40,000 but there are lots of people outside the limits who work and shop in town. I mean they have a giant Sam's Club and more than one Fred Meyer. It isn't like it is my town with 20,000 people, including students.

75,000 is huge?

VandalSquirrel · #9 09-15-2008, 03:08 AM

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75,000 is huge?

In the context of ALASKA it is huge, and also in the context of my small town in the Lower 48. The second largest city in the state, and it is pretty spread out. I grew up in a city with ten times the population of Fairbanks, in an area less than 50 square miles. The city limits don't include most residents, but there's a lot of political drama people will happily tell you about if you're dumb enough to lsiten.

I realize most people on GC have never been there, and never will, and the whole place just seems bizarre, and it is! After spending the summer 100 miles from Fairbanks, and going to a town with a population of 850 for resupplies, it is like going to Seattle or Chicago. It can be overwhelming and freaky. For all we know she could be from a homestead outside the city, and they said Fairbanks because it may actually be recognized on a map.

christiangirl · #10 09-15-2008, 09:10 PM

I guess I have trouble with the concept of 75,000 being a big city--the population of my hometown is just under a million, so I can't say that I relate to Hannah or the whole "small town" concept.

But, if she's from Alaska, then maybe...anyway, I do like her. She reminds me of a TV character, but I just can't put my finger on who...

Anyone else excited for makeover episode?? I hope it's better than the last couple. I don't think they've had a really GOOD makeover ep since Cycle 7 or so.

VandalSquirrel · #11 09-15-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

I guess I have trouble with the concept of 75,000 being a big city--the population of my hometown is just under a million, so I can't say that I relate to Hannah or the whole "small town" concept.

But, if she's from Alaska, then maybe...anyway, I do like her. She reminds me of a TV character, but I just can't put my finger on who...

Anyone else excited for makeover episode?? I hope it's better than the last couple. I don't think they've had a really GOOD makeover ep since Cycle 7 or so.

I live in a town of 20,000, and there are many many times I go to a bigger city and just feel overwhelmed. I never had a problem with crowds, noise, traffic, and people crammed in on top of each other until I didn't have to live that way anymore. Even now I have a house and a ayrd, and no neighbors above or on the sides (physically touching) and I still feel claustrophobic at times. Since I grew up in a huge city i didn't know any different, and i really like my smaller community but when we were looking around for a house to have a family in we looked in the smaller towns because even Moscow is too big at times.

The only thing I didn't like about being in the field last summer was not having transportation. If I had a vehicle I'd live at the site because it was just amazingly beautiful and there were NO PEOPLE. The issue of showers and laundry, plus food would have been easily solved by access to a vehicle. But yeah, a lot of it has to do with perspective, and if you're living out in Ester, Salcha, or Twin Rivers instead of Fairbanks proper, you are a small town girl.

ree-Xi · #12 09-16-2008, 10:50 AM

Today on a rerun of the Tyra show, Isis was featured as "a man living as a woman on the streets since s/he was 14". Isis prostituted her/himself and also had been convicted of felony robbery.

All gender issues aside, does anyone know if there are "personal character" stipulations to apply/appear on the show? What do you think about that? In any other situation, it would be pretty difficult, I imagine, for a former prostitute and a person with a felony to be considered high fashion model material.