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09-11-2008, 10:48 AM
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Don't forget the Catholic church whose American leaders announced during the last election that if a Catholic supported someone who was pro-choice that they could not take communion?
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That's getting into something a little more nuanced than endorsing a candidate. The ROMAN Catholic church (which is the one I assume you mean) was simply following through on their church doctrine concerning their sacraments. It's not as though they made up some arbitrary rule just to punish those who supported a pro-abortion candidate.
I am not Roman Catholic, and I disagree with some of their conditions for communion, but the political aspect of enforcing those strictures is not as clear-cut as out and out recommending a candidate, or calling on members to NOT support a candidate.
It raises an interesting question - do y'all have a problem with churches delineating their doctrines during an election season? For example, pro-life parishes, or those who act as "sanctuary" parishes for illegal aliens, those against capital punishment, etc.? (I am reminded of the Unitarian church where my sister was married - they had a poster with their goals for the parish for the year. #1? Legalize marijuana. )
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09-11-2008, 11:27 AM
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Oral Roberts University was actually recently near losing its tax exempt status because it was using university funds to support political candidates.
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But Oral hadn't been president of ORU since 1993. His son Richard was president when the tax-exemption issues came up, and that was part of what brought about Richard Robert's resignation and brought Oral Roberts ought of retirement to help run the university again.
Saying that ORU or Richard Roberts was endorsing candidates =/= Oral Robers endorsing candidates.
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09-11-2008, 12:30 PM
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Don't forget the Catholic church whose American leaders announced during the last election that if a Catholic supported someone who was pro-choice that they could not take communion?
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Huh. Oh well. I guess this means I'm not being saved. 
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09-11-2008, 05:30 PM
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Don't forget the Catholic church whose American leaders announced during the last election that if a Catholic supported someone who was pro-choice that they could not take communion?
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I don't think this is accurate.
What was addressed was Catholic elected officials who had supported abortion themselves not receiving it, I'm pretty sure.
And honestly, if you openly support violating church teaching aren't your already outside of the communion of the church? It's not a democracy after all.
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09-11-2008, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by UGAalum94
I don't think this is accurate.
What was addressed was Catholic elected officials who had supported abortion themselves not receiving it, I'm pretty sure.
And honestly, if you openly support violating church teaching aren't your already outside of the communion of the church? It's not a democracy after all.
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That's what I thought too, but I'm not Catholic so I decided not to speak up about it in case whoever made that assertion is.
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09-11-2008, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by UGAalum94
I don't think this is accurate.
What was addressed was Catholic elected officials who had supported abortion themselves not receiving it, I'm pretty sure.
And honestly, if you openly support violating church teaching aren't your already outside of the communion of the church? It's not a democracy after all.
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Well, what's interesting about it is that they are also completely anti-war and anti-death penalty but only made the statement about those who voted for a candidate who was pro-choice, so it's selective.
I think politics and religion should be separate. One is moral, one is legal and that distinction is big to me.
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09-11-2008, 06:22 PM
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Don't forget the Catholic church whose American leaders announced during the last election that if a Catholic supported someone who was pro-choice that they could not take communion?
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Didn't they say should not take communion? And leave it up to the priest whether or not to administer it?
-an EX-Catholic
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