Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[BlessedOne04]

The problem with HRC supporters is that they have a problem with letting go. Its the equivalent to a pouting child who cannot have the candy they want so badly. If we are adults and you are for the good of the country then prove it. What is so hot about HRC platform? She was saying the stuff that would help her win the nomination, and some of her positions were conservative in my opinion. If the only advantage that she has was that she is a woman, then those supporters need to review whether this is a popularity contest or presidential campaign.

Basically there's no crying in baseball.

[nikki1920]

i <3 this thread

[delph998]

...Gulliani's keynote address was HORRIBLE! He was so busy bashing Obama and the Democratic party, that he couldn't even make his points. So scattered and disconnected.

[I.A.S.K.]

*one*
*T-t-two---nope false alarm*

^^^^^^^ This is me counting the number of people of color in the crowd at the Republican National Convention.
^^^^^^^ This is also me counting the number of people UNDER the age of I dont know, lets say about...ANCIENT in the crowd. (Okay, so that was a little harsh, but there was not a single person in there under the age of 35)


Did Palin and the Republicans have to Steal all of the Democrats ideas? The wack Palin signs remind me vaguely of those Michelle signs.

I will give you guys a recap of Palin's address in just a little while. It wont take me long to do it either because she really is not saying very much.

Is it just me or does her speech sound like: "You should vote for me as Governer of Alaska because..."

I cannot take you seriously as a candidate for VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA when any part of your speech includes the following:
1. "I love those hockey moms! The only difference between a hockey mom and a pittbul is lipstick." Really? That is such a feminist statement. GAL, youse shole is heppin' whimin!
2. The word VICTORY when talking about any war after World War II. Victory in Iraq is a figment of Republican's imaginations.
3. Basically the rest of her speech.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

I don't believe most of these so called Hillary supporters exist. I think they are Republicans masquerading as PUMA/Hillary supporters to stir up discontent and trouble. Half the Hillary supporters I've talked to say they're upset but they're voting for Obama.

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Okay I'm watching this Palin speech and she's got in some clever and catchy statements but I'm kind of distracted because she looks POSSESSED...her facial expressions: wide eyes, clenched jaws, scrunched nose etc. are all over the place...I'm waiting for her head to start spinning...

[nikki1920]

I caught the tail end and was NOT impressed. AT. ALL.

[delph998]

Both speeches were horrible. There were no stars in that camp. I'm sorry. This convention compared to last week's is polar opposite.

[AKA_Monet]

I'm sorry, Sarah doesn't have all her oars in the water... Just a little slow...

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I'm sorry, Sarah doesn't have all her oars in the water... Just a little slow...

Oars? LOL. I gotta know where you got this one from becuase it describes her so perfectly. First the possesed comment now this. I will never look at this woman the same way again!


Didnt she say something like "my husband is 1/8th eskimo?" Im through!

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Funny clip of CNN's Campbell Brown on Palin's Inexperience...
You can forward to 3:15 to get to the really good part.

http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/...ampbell-brown/

[mccoyred]

I think that she did well in terms of speech delivery - diction, eye contact, body language, etc. She did not make many of the mistakes that novice speakers make.

However, the substance of her speech as well as those of Juliani and Romney were weak. They were filled with innuendos, sarcasm, half-truths and outright lies. Wait until Politifact.com (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/) and FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/) get a hold of those speeches! The partisanship was clearly evident.

They could not keep Barack Obama's name out of their mouths! Every other sentence was about Obama. If they fired up their base, they also fired up Obama's base; last night immediately after her speech, I sat down and sent another donation to Barack Obama....

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

I think that she did well in terms of speech delivery - diction, eye contact, body language, etc. She did not make many of the mistakes that novice speakers make.

However, the substance of her speech as well as those of Juliani and Romney were weak. They were filled with innuendos, sarcasm, half-truths and outright lies. Wait until Politifact.com (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/) and FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/) get a hold of those speeches! The partisanship was clearly evident.

They could not keep Barack Obama's name out of their mouths! Every other sentence was about Obama. If they fired up their base, they also fired up Obama's base; last night immediately after her speech, I sat down and sent another donation to Barack Obama....

The same thing happened at the Dem Convention; even Obama's speech had a number of things to say about McCain.

As for Palin's speech - I thought it was good, but I'm unsure if that was because of my own low expectations going in. I really just wish he had chosen Hutchison if he was set on having a woman on the ticket.

I'd like to see, after all this is over, some explanation on how the McCain camp made its choices during this election season. I'm guessing it will make one heck of a book (like the one written on the 1988 Presidential election).

The Republican speeches definitely were heavy on partisanship, but the same can be said about the Democratic Convention. Neither party was immune.

[TonyB06]

I thought Palin's presentation was good (as a former tv journalist, she knows how to read from a teleprompter) and played well in the convention hall. How the speech played in the country, specifically in the mind of independents, is yet to be known.

This was her first introduction and those are lasting. Was the sarcasm, expected in a VP nominee's speech, too consistent for someone so unknown to the country? People take what you say when they know you, the existing relationship conferring a level of trust to your words. Nobody knows Palin yet, so who knows how her comments will come off, or what it will do to her campaign image?

I thought her speech needed to say something about economic solution ideas for sevearal reasons. One, that's not really been discussed much from the RNC podium to date (in the coverage I've seen), and two, the logistical fact that McCain is going up against NFL Football tonight (Redskins v. Giants) -- so I think the RNC convention, already effectively shortened a day by Hurricaine Gustav, has probably had the largest audience it's going to have.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

The same thing happened at the Dem Convention; even Obama's speech had a number of things to say about McCain.

The Republican speeches definitely were heavy on partisanship, but the same can be said about the Democratic Convention. Neither party was immune.

Uhmm No...Look we all expect some level of partisanship at these things, no matter if its coming from Democrats or Republicans. But what Dems did at their convention was state verifiable truths. What I heard last night from Republicans were mostly verifiable lies.

Lie#1: Mike Huckabee "Gov. Sarah Palin got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla than Joe Biden got running for president."

Fact: Uhm No. Wasilla has something like 8,000 people max, even if she got votes from every live person in the town twice, she'd have less than the roughly 17,000 Biden got for President.

Lie#2: Rudy Guiliani: A few years later, he [Obama] ran for the U.S. Senate...No leadership or major legislation to speak of.

Fact: No Again. The Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation and Threat Reduction Initiative was signed into law in January of 2007.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), this bill expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.

(Weapons of Mass Destruction you know those things we supposedly went into Iraq for.)

Lie#3: Sarah Palin: He's [John McCain] a man....who refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

Fact: 3 Strikes, you're out! Not only has he voted against troop benefits countless times but he's been wrong so many times on the Iraq war it's hard to keep track. And by the way there is no victory in sight in Iraq. McCain said they can be there for 100 years.
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Basically what they said at Dems convention was McCain votes with George Bush 90% of the time, which is verifiably true.

[Ten/Four]

Palin's speech rallied her Republican base. She had to quiet their doubts more than independents or so-called Hillary Republicans. Like others have said up thread, she delivered/presented the speech well. But, the McCain camp already knew she could because they had been watching her tapes. Now, for content, I wasn't impressed with the low blows she took at Obama especially when she said "being a small town mayor was like being a community organizer only with actual responsibilities." The republicans definitely got their attack dog (pitbull with lipstick).

I expected the Republicans to insult Obama & Biden's personal characters. That's what they do. Now the question is how will the Democrats respond. Palin has opened the door for Biden to completely aggressively take her head on without being labeled demeaning. Reading a speech is one thing, but going face to face without unprepared text is another.