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Old 09-04-2008, 10:35 AM
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The same thing happened at the Dem Convention; even Obama's speech had a number of things to say about McCain.

The Republican speeches definitely were heavy on partisanship, but the same can be said about the Democratic Convention. Neither party was immune.
Uhmm No...Look we all expect some level of partisanship at these things, no matter if its coming from Democrats or Republicans. But what Dems did at their convention was state verifiable truths. What I heard last night from Republicans were mostly verifiable lies.

Lie#1: Mike Huckabee "Gov. Sarah Palin got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla than Joe Biden got running for president."

Fact: Uhm No. Wasilla has something like 8,000 people max, even if she got votes from every live person in the town twice, she'd have less than the roughly 17,000 Biden got for President.

Lie#2: Rudy Guiliani: A few years later, he [Obama] ran for the U.S. Senate...No leadership or major legislation to speak of.

Fact: No Again. The Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation and Threat Reduction Initiative was signed into law in January of 2007.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), this bill expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.

(Weapons of Mass Destruction you know those things we supposedly went into Iraq for.)

Lie#3: Sarah Palin: He's [John McCain] a man....who refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

Fact: 3 Strikes, you're out! Not only has he voted against troop benefits countless times but he's been wrong so many times on the Iraq war it's hard to keep track. And by the way there is no victory in sight in Iraq. McCain said they can be there for 100 years.
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Basically what they said at Dems convention was McCain votes with George Bush 90% of the time, which is verifiably true.
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:02 AM
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Uhmm No...Look we all expect some level of partisanship at these things, no matter if its coming from Democrats or Republicans. But what Dems did at their convention was state verifiable truths. What I heard last night from Republicans were mostly verifiable lies.

Lie#1: Mike Huckabee "Gov. Sarah Palin got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla than Joe Biden got running for president."

Fact: Uhm No. Wasilla has something like 8,000 people max, even if she got votes from every live person in the town twice, she'd have less than the roughly 17,000 Biden got for President.

Lie#2: Rudy Guiliani: A few years later, he [Obama] ran for the U.S. Senate...No leadership or major legislation to speak of.

Fact: No Again. The Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Legislation and Threat Reduction Initiative was signed into law in January of 2007.

Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), this bill expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.

(Weapons of Mass Destruction you know those things we supposedly went into Iraq for.)

Lie#3: Sarah Palin: He's [John McCain] a man....who refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

Fact: 3 Strikes, you're out! Not only has he voted against troop benefits countless times but he's been wrong so many times on the Iraq war it's hard to keep track. And by the way there is no victory in sight in Iraq. McCain said they can be there for 100 years.
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Basically what they said at Dems convention was McCain votes with George Bush 90% of the time, which is verifiably true.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ing_obama.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...tion_spin.html

Misstatements were made on both sides. I'm not blaming Democrats (or anyone in either party, for that matter), because these convention speeches shouldn't be taken terribly seriously. But, no matter how you feel about Obama, Democrats can't take the moral high road on this one.
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:49 AM
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Thanks for the info...

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I was really speaking of last night's convention speech in contrast to when Michelle or Bill or Hillary spoke.

But, I gather your overall point is both sides lie. I agree. Both sides are imperfect, though one is moreso.

But a lie is still a lie. I will continue to call/blame etc. on any side who chooses to attempt to mislead me in any way.

Btw I checked the factcheck links you posted and they are wanting. The Republican Convention link doesn't cite any of the three lies I named on the Republican side. And the Dem link you sent me was not from other Dem convention speakers but from the Obama speech itself. Also two of the supposed lies analyzing the Obama speech were not lies at all but were what the website itself characterized as "Obama twisted McCain's words" or "Obama knew McCain was joking when he said that." Which means in other words McCain said it...But I Digress...
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Old 09-04-2008, 11:52 AM
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I was really speaking of last night's convention speech in contrast to when Michelle or Bill or Hillary spoke.

But, I gather your overall point is both sides lie. I agree. Both sides are imperfect, though one is moreso.

But a lie is still a lie. I will continue to call/blame etc. on any side who chooses to attempt to mislead me in any way.

Btw I checked the factcheck links you posted and they are wanting. The Republican Convention link doesn't cite any of the three lies I named on the Republican side. And the Dem link you sent me was not from other Dem convention speakers but from the Obama speech itself. Also two of the the supposed lies analyzing the Obama speech were not lies at all but were what the website itself characterized as "Obama twisted McCain's words" or "Obama knew McCain was joking when he said that." Which means in other words McCain said it...But I Digress...
Yeah, the site is by no means perfect; they also don't analyze the Democratic Convention at all, and I'm sure not every speak was perfect. It was more for the general point that both sides are playing the game, which you acknowledge.

I guess all's fair in love and politics, or something like that...
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Old 09-04-2008, 01:17 PM
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Per our discussion Mccoyred...

The Daily Show explains it...
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