Why Haze!!

one800thekiller · #1 09-02-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I would have to disagree with that statement. Hazing can take many forms. Sure you have the physical which you seem to be referencing, but you also have sexual, emotional and mental abuse. Hazing is anything that can cause ANY harm to a person. Any harm at all, but you seem to be saying that only when great physical harm is possible. I don't understand that thinking as the other kinds could be just as damaging if not more so.

I will agree that mental(which is emotional) and sexual(which is a possibility i didn't take into consideration when writing my previous post) could be just as damaging.

The mental "damage" is ..quite literally all in your head.
The only time i could see that as permanent damage to a person is if you don't complete the pledge process....if you have...and your brothers except you as a brother...you realize WHY the pledge process is what it is

ree-Xi · #2 09-03-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by one800thekiller

I will agree that mental(which is emotional) and sexual(which is a possibility i didn't take into consideration when writing my previous post) could be just as damaging.

The mental "damage" is ..quite literally all in your head.
The only time i could see that as permanent damage to a person is if you don't complete the pledge process....if you have...and your brothers except you as a brother...you realize WHY the pledge process is what it is

So "mental damage" is ok as long as you are initiated and the "reasons" are explained to you?

I think that your overall argument is weak and you should probably just give up.

PS - it's ACCEPT, not except.

one800thekiller · #3 09-09-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ree-Xi

So "mental damage" is ok as long as you are initiated and the "reasons" are explained to you?

I think that your overall argument is weak and you should probably just give up.

PS - it's ACCEPT, not except.

Mental damage is a joke.....
That is all their is too it. It is a joke.
The only people who are against the hazing are the ones that can't take it.
Hazing has been around as long as Collegiate Greeks, and it isn't going anywhere.
The fact that prissy boys can't cut it as a pledge, and resort to turning a fraternity in is nothing more than sad.
You want to build brotherly bonds, you have to sacrifice something.

Pledging isn't supposed to be easy......
It is supposed to be challenging, mentally and physically.

In all honesty....even a chapter who meaninglessly hazes, just because is still more than likely does less damage to a pledge, both physically and mentally) than what a new recruit from the army gets going through basic.

So, to wrap my little rant up, I will leave you with a quote...from ..fight club...

"It is not until we have lost everything, that we are truly free to do anything."

ASTalumna06 · #4 09-03-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by one800thekiller

I will agree that mental(which is emotional) and sexual(which is a possibility i didn't take into consideration when writing my previous post) could be just as damaging.

The mental "damage" is ..quite literally all in your head.
The only time i could see that as permanent damage to a person is if you don't complete the pledge process....if you have...and your brothers except you as a brother...you realize WHY the pledge process is what it is

You're right. The mental damage IS in your head. That's why it's called MENTAL damage.

And permanent damage or not, it is hurting someone. You'd be surprised at how many people that can affect. Just because it didn't hurt you doesn't mean it isn't hurting someone else. And a lot of people won't say anything. And do you want to know why? Because you're guys, and you're taught not to show any emotion, and you're afraid to share feelings with other guys.

But I guarantee that there are guys, probably in your fraternity, who have been hurt by hazing. Because I've seen it happen, and I've had guys come to me to talk about it. And while they don't tell me exactly what is involved in the program, they are clearly upset about it, whether they get into the fraternity or not.

PrettyBoy · #5 09-04-2008, 01:10 AM

DIVA1177 · #6 09-09-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

I just wanted to say that is REALLY PRETTY. On the real.

chettyg100 · #7 09-16-2008, 02:36 PM

I know, in looking for a group to try and pledge with, I don't feel I want to be hazed.

I think when I get into college I am kind of an adult while young, not stupid.

Ar 6' 3' and 185 pounds I do not feel good about someone beating on me or making me do things that I do not care for!

I wonder if greek life is like this why should I care about joining?

PrettyBoy · #8 02-23-2009, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DIVA1177

I just wanted to say you are REALLY PRETTY. On the real.

Thanks. I get that compliment quite often.

DIVA1177 · #9 02-23-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Thanks. I get that compliment quite often.

I see you changing my quote

one800thekiller · #10 09-09-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

You're right. The mental damage IS in your head. That's why it's called MENTAL damage.

And permanent damage or not, it is hurting someone. You'd be surprised at how many people that can affect. Just because it didn't hurt you doesn't mean it isn't hurting someone else. And a lot of people won't say anything. And do you want to know why? Because you're guys, and you're taught not to show any emotion, and you're afraid to share feelings with other guys.

But I guarantee that there are guys, probably in your fraternity, who have been hurt by hazing. Because I've seen it happen, and I've had guys come to me to talk about it. And while they don't tell me exactly what is involved in the program, they are clearly upset about it, whether they get into the fraternity or not.

Your right, there have been guys who have been "hurt" by hazing.
That is the point.....to break them down...to make them realize its all in their head. They learn to trust their pledge brothers and there potential brothers...and in the end it all makes sense...there is a point to it all.
And, as i have previously stated, No one is forcing them to be there. Nor is anyone forcing them to do anything.

[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Devin/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg[/IMG]However, you are wrong about the guys not sharing. That is what so many people fail to realize. They assume that guys won't share anything. I have had meeting where my pledge brother broke down in tears, and thats the point.......to break them..and then rebuild them. That is the point in hazing, and that is something that I honestly don't expect anyone who hasn't been through it to understand.

But, until I hear it from someone who has been hazed, and doesn't see the greater good in it.....i refuse to believe that hazing(as long as there is a meaning behind it) is a negative thing. In fact, to be 100 percent honest, I don't believe that someone who hasn't been through it, really has the right to even talk about it as if they know anything about it.

In my opinion, people who haven't gone through a process with hazing, but are trying to talk about how harmful it is, don't have a clue.

I mean, can someone who has never played golf in their life accurately help you correct your golf swing?...more than likely not so much.

can someone who has never been stabbed with a knife..accurately describe the pain of being stabbed with one?

No..the person has not gone through it, and therefor has no real insight to the good, nor the evil of hazing