Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

I missed it, but it's on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOaIHUEJJp0


Good job!

Take 6 sounds so good! (ETA)

She was good. As was Stevie Wonder and Take 6. Michael McDonald also had a real nice keyboard rendition of "America The Beautiful."

Originally Posted by delph998

Each evening after watching the DNC, I have gone asleep with the biggest smile on my face. Tonight's smile will be the biggest. I have never been this engaged in politics ever and I am so blessed and honored to be alive to see the first African American presidential candidate represent our country.

Each speech, beginning with the graceful and distinguished Michelle Obama, has been filled with such passion and emotion -- to the point that I have been getting chills throughout my body. But oh tonight, tonight was one that will always be remembered. Obama was phenomenal. I am so thrilled that I had an opportunity to witness "the dream" that Dr. Martin Luther King spoke about 45 years ago come to fruition this evening. I am ready for the change! YES WE CAN!!

...so, does this mean, you are not hosting the after party for the Repubs in the Twin Cities next week?

[delph998]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

She was good. As was Stevie Wonder and Take 6. Michael McDonald also had a real nice keyboard rendition of "America The Beautiful."



...so, does this mean, you are not hosting the after party for the Repubs in the Twin Cities next week?

I cried listening to Michael McDonald! That dude sings with so much soul.

After party at my crib? NOT!

It is very strategic for McCain to choose the governor of Alaska, but I don't know how effective it will be.

[darling1]

palin may pull clinton supporters (some white women)

Originally Posted by delph998

I cried listening to Michael McDonald! That dude sings with so much soul.

After party at my crib? NOT!

It is very strategic for McCain to choose the governor of Alaska, but I don't know how effective it will be.

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by darling1

palin may pull clinton supporters (some white women)

When you look at her record, she's much more likely to help shore up McCain's Repub base, than pull any but the most ardent "it shoulda been HRC" supporters.

Also, it's being asked in some media circles, if McCain's chief criticism of Obama was lack of foreign policy bona fides, what is to be made of his own choice for VP?

I expected either Romney or Ridge, which would have made either Mich, or Pa a bit more interesting. I'm still trying to figure the political calculus behind this choice.

[darling1]

definitely--mccain has been critiqued on his views not being atypical republican but moderate leaning.

this is still speculation. according to cspan, romney is listed as being on the agenda to speak. whe i saw this, my first thought was that he was it. so we will have to see. either way, it is so necessary to get folks to the polls. i swear if the republican get re-elected, i am locking down my uterus, my daughter's uterus and we are moving out of the country..lol

Originally Posted by TonyB06

When you look at her record, she's much more likely to help shore up McCain's Repub base, than pull any but the most ardent "it shoulda been HRC" supporters.

Also, it's being asked in some media circles, if McCain's chief criticism of Obama was lack of foreign policy bona fides, what is to be made of his own choice for VP?

I expected either Romney or Ridge, which would have made either Mich, or Pa a bit more interesting. I'm still trying to figure the political calculus behind this choice.

[Little32]

I don't think that the calculus is that complicated. I think that the McCain camp thinks that a women veep will get them some leverage among fence HRC supporters, particularly those who supported HRC based on primarily on gender and not necessarily on politics.

I think this is in the same vein of the strategy that the RNC used in sending Keyes to run against Obama in 2004.

If I were the targets of this particular political strategy, I would feel more insulted than anything else.

[darling1]

Palin is the GOP VP choice

and

I REACHED MY 1000TH POST...lol--yea, its silly.

im watching C-SPAN now. Some of these folks calling in are not bright.

[jitterbug13]

On Obama--Last night was wonderful. He gave out what he is going to do if elected and showed us what to expect in the coming weeks. And I just saw JHud doing the national anthem. They need to sell that like they did with Whitney back in the day.

On McStiff--WHAT IN THE HELL IS HE THINKING???? Besides trying to get the HRC supporters, I don't see the benefit from this.

Originally Posted by WenD08

she was chosen to appeal to those disgruntled Hillary supporters. however, the McCain camp cannot talk about Obama's inexperience. reason being, this woman has only been the governor for less than 2 years, prior to that she was the mayor of a small town. she has no real foreign policy experience and she's under investigation for using her office in a rather shady manner (getting an in- now "out-" law fired).
we'll see how this plays out.

Don't forget she has a four-month old son that has Downs Syndrome. It's hard enough having a baby period, but having one with a major disablity is going to be difficult if you're going to be VPOTUS. I was taking to my friend about this a few minutes ago and she called her selfish for running.

Originally Posted by StarFish106

Everybody in my office was going around asking each other who is she, what is her background....If he was going to go for a woman was there anyone else with a little more name recognition that he could have picked in these last 67 days?

Maybe it's just me but a part of me feels like he is using her. If HRC didn't have such strong support or was never in the race to begin with, would he have still felt the need to get a woman? Don't get me wrong in theory it is about time that women are getting to play for the offices of POTUS and VP seriouosly. But do it because that's who you feel is best for you, not because you are scrambling trying to get another part of the demographic. If I wasn't voting for you on your own, why do you think just because you added someone who you think I should 'relate' to soley on basis of gender or race that I will now? Just MYO....(but I know there are those who will)

You're not alone. My friend and I both felt that she is getting pimped to get votes from Obama. And they talk about experience: Obama has been in the Senate longer than she's been governor. At least Bush had two terms as governor of Texas. I can't wait for the debates because Biden's going to eat her alive.

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by Little32

I don't think that the calculus is that complicated. I think that the McCain camp thinks that a women veep will get them some leverage among fence HRC supporters, particularly those who supported HRC based on primarily on gender and not necessarily on politics.

I think this is in the same vein of the strategy that the RNC used in sending Keyes to run against Obama in 2004.

If I were the targets of this particular political strategy, I would feel more insulted than anything else.

Can you elaborate on the "dissaffected women's vote" aspect? The most recent poll I saw indicated that Obama was leading McCain overall among women 52 to 37 percent. Since HRC's first concession in June until now, the numbers of her supporers moving to Obama has been increasing.

I'm also confused as to what you mean regarding Keyes? Obama defeated him handliy in 2004.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

Can you elaborate on the "dissaffected women's vote" aspect? The most recent poll I saw indicated that Obama was leading McCain overall among women 52 to 37 percent. Since HRC's first concession in June until now, the numbers of her supporers moving to Obama has been increasing.

I'm also confused as to what you mean regarding Keyes? Obama defeated him handliy in 2004.

I don't mean to suggest that the Republican party's reasoning is at all reasonable. I just think that this is the reasoning for selecting her as a candidate. Just as they seemed to think that Alan Keyes, just by virtue of the fact that he is black, would somehow draw some black voters into the Republican fold. It smacks of presumption that the voters' investment in particular candidates is based solely on gender or race. It is insulting.

[delph998]

Originally Posted by darling1

palin may pull clinton supporters (some white women)

'May pull' is exactly right. I think a bigger issue is this the fact that McCain is nearly on his death bed, and if he becomes president and something happens--not that I'm wishing that on him--is Palin the appropriate choice to step in as president? Further, how can McCain and his campaign question the experience of Obama with the lack of experience Palin has?

I will definitely be tuned in to RNC. It's in my back yard and I also want to see what they have to say.

[WenD08]

she was chosen to appeal to those disgruntled Hillary supporters. however, the McCain camp cannot talk about Obama's inexperience. reason being, this woman has only been the governor for less than 2 years, prior to that she was the mayor of a small town. she has no real foreign policy experience and she's under investigation for using her office in a rather shady manner (getting an in- now "out-" law fired).
we'll see how this plays out.

[darling1]

in listen to cspan this morning, ALOT of people are commenting on obama's lack of experience. "he's a good speech maker but..' "he hasnt been in a war.." OR "my life is great, so..."

obama's experience is going to be called into question.

Originally Posted by WenD08

she was chosen to appeal to those disgruntled Hillary supporters. however, the McCain camp cannot talk about Obama's inexperience. reason being, this woman has only been the governor for less than 2 years, prior to that she was the mayor of a small town. she has no real foreign policy experience and she's under investigation for using her office in a rather shady manner (getting an in- now "out-" law fired).
we'll see how this plays out.

[StarFish106]

Everybody in my office was going around asking each other who is she, what is her background....If he was going to go for a woman was there anyone else with a little more name recognition that he could have picked in these last 67 days?

Maybe it's just me but a part of me feels like he is using her. If HRC didn't have such strong support or was never in the race to begin with, would he have still felt the need to get a woman? Don't get me wrong in theory it is about time that women are getting to play for the offices of POTUS and VP seriouosly. But do it because that's who you feel is best for you, not because you are scrambling trying to get another part of the demographic. If I wasn't voting for you on your own, why do you think just because you added someone who you think I should 'relate' to soley on basis of gender or race that I will now? Just MYO....(but I know there are those who will)