UGA Recruitment Winds Down

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

violetpretty, speaking on some authority here, chapters that a PNM doesn't rank in her top-whatever don't necessarily cut her right away. Especially not if the campus is using the PNM ranking system as opposed to the see you invite list and accept or regret system.

In fact, a lot of times if chapters are following release figures carefully, they won't cut those girls right away. If they see a girl first round and not at any of the subsequent rounds, they'll probably cut her before pref. But not necessarily after she ranks them lower/regrets them once.

Interesting. I asked about re-inviting girls that you didn't see at one round of parties, and someone told me that you couldn't really do it anymore because it messed up the release figures.

And although I certainly could be wrong, it doesn't seem to be something that is happening at UGA these days. You don't seem to hear about girls getting picked back up third round at houses that they didn't attend for second.

But of course that doesn't mean it would be impossible to do so.

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Interesting. I asked about re-inviting girls that you didn't see at one round of parties, and someone told me that you couldn't really do it anymore because it messed up the release figures.

That is correct. It makes a mess.

Let's say a woman goes to 17 chapters round one then ranks 12 of them as 1s and the other 5 as 2-3-4-5-6. Round two she attends all 12 of her 1s. That means she "cut" those 5 chapters. She does not appear on the attendance list for chapters 2-3-4-5-6 and therefore cannot be invited to round three by them. Some chapters try to "re-invite," but if the campus is using Priority ranking and RFM, that re-inviting is futile. The PNMs are only ranking the chapters they attend, and the chapters are only ranking the PNMs in attendance. So they'll never match up.

Some campuses that do Accept/Regret and don't match on ICS or CD might still allow re-inviting. But it is not common and not very helpful for RFM.

[33girl]

I thought this whole "regret with interest" thing was being used more frequently? Or isn't that the case?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I thought this whole "regret with interest" thing was being used more frequently? Or isn't that the case?

I don't have any idea really, but I thought it was less frequent because priority ranking made complicated release figure stuff like flex lists easier.

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I thought this whole "regret with interest" thing was being used more frequently? Or isn't that the case?

It is actually becoming more and more obsolete. Campuses are increasingly switching to Priority away from A/R. Some super big ones switched just this year and really benefitted from it. Priority allows for the use of Flex Lists, and flexing makes sure chapters have an adequate number of women coming to their parties.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by jwright25

It is actually becoming more and more obsolete. Campuses are increasingly switching to Priority away from A/R. Some super big ones switched just this year and really benefitted from it. Priority allows for the use of Flex Lists, and flexing makes sure chapters have an adequate number of women coming to their parties.

OK - this is all odd.

My campus switched to priority away from accept/regret my senior year.

We definitely still re-invited people. And were encouraged to even more than we had been during accept/regret time, because it looked less pathetic - with accept/regret, they would see that we kept inviting them back and they'd keep regretting... with priority, if they kept going to other groups, they'd never know they had an active invitation with us. They would only see it in this scenario (using my campus's numbers)

Round 1 they went to all 5 houses, and they ranked my chapter lowest
Round 2 they went to 4 houses - all their top choices
Round 3 they went to 3 houses - only two houses cut them, so they ended up back at my house

Most people didn't experience that drastic cut - most people would be released upfront the first night - so they would never know we were still inviting them. Only a few people would "slip through" so to say, and helped boost our numbers.

That said, we tended to release people if they had not attended our house for two nights in a row.

But our Greek advisors would actually get on us about that because it was usually exceeding the number of releases recommended by Panhellenic!

I'm probably saying too much here, but honestly it seems like what happened at my campus is the opposite of what y'all are saying.

Frankly, though, that could be 'cause y'all are talking about UGA and I'm talking about teensy W&L.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

OK - this is all odd.

My campus switched to priority away from accept/regret my senior year.

We definitely still re-invited people. And were encouraged to even more than we had been during accept/regret time, because it looked less pathetic - with accept/regret, they would see that we kept inviting them back and they'd keep regretting... with priority, if they kept going to other groups, they'd never know they had an active invitation with us. They would only see it in this scenario (using my campus's numbers)

Round 1 they went to all 5 houses, and they ranked my chapter lowest
Round 2 they went to 4 houses - all their top choices
Round 3 they went to 3 houses - only two houses cut them, so they ended up back at my house

Most people didn't experience that drastic cut - most people would be released upfront the first night - so they would never know we were still inviting them. Only a few people would "slip through" so to say, and helped boost our numbers.

That said, we tended to release people if they had not attended our house for two nights in a row.

But our Greek advisors would actually get on us about that because it was usually exceeding the number of releases recommended by Panhellenic!

I'm probably saying too much here, but honestly it seems like what happened at my campus is the opposite of what y'all are saying.

Frankly, though, that could be 'cause y'all are talking about UGA and I'm talking about teensy W&L.

I never had any real knowledge of how stuffed worked, even when I was there before release figures, but it might have something to do with the size, like you said. On your campus, it might be easier to hold over a separate list of girls to re-invite, especially because the number of chapters is smaller. Someone may have even done the inviting by hand after the regular parties were matched or something.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I never had any real knowledge of how stuffed worked, even when I was there before release figures, but it might have something to do with the size, like you said. On your campus, it might be easier to hold over a separate list of girls to re-invite, especially because the number of chapters is smaller. Someone may have even done the inviting by hand after the regular parties were matched or something.

LOL - I was membership chair for my chapter and then president - which in Pi Phi at that time were the two officers privy to membership selection (the offices have since been reworked). I did all the re-inviting via computer program. It really wasn't that hard to manage! heh. I doubt it added 2 minutes, at least from the chapter side. And Panhel never said anything about it like it was a problem for them.

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

I'm probably saying too much here, but honestly it seems like what happened at my campus is the opposite of what y'all are saying.

Frankly, though, that could be 'cause y'all are talking about UGA and I'm talking about teensy W&L.

I do seem to recall some discussion that W&L has a few recruitment practices/traditions that aren't necessarily the same as others. And hey - if it works for them, great. The only way I could see it actually working out is if PNMs were allowed to rank all chapters every night - even if they didn't attend. 99% of campuses out there don't allow that - they only allow PNMs to rank the chapters they attended.

Plus re-inviting just makes a big ole mess for trying to keep up with how many women chapters have in their pool vs. how many they are really releasing. Kinda makes my head spin from a statistical perspective!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by jwright25

I do seem to recall some discussion that W&L has a few recruitment practices/traditions that aren't necessarily the same as others. And hey - if it works for them, great. The only way I could see it actually working out is if PNMs were allowed to rank all chapters every night - even if they didn't attend. 99% of campuses out there don't allow that - they only allow PNMs to rank the chapters they attended.

Plus re-inviting just makes a big ole mess for trying to keep up with how many women chapters have in their pool vs. how many they are really releasing. Kinda makes my head spin from a statistical perspective!

Typically from a release figure perspective, is the number that a chapter can invite back based on the number of PNMs overall or simply the number of PNMs who attended the last round?