The Heavy-Handed Moderation Has to Stop

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

As such, if searched and found by my echelon of members, John could get in trouble for it... And no one wants that to happen.

I doubt John cares about getting in trouble with some members... Although I do agree about keeping ritual info unexplained.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

I doubt John cares about getting in trouble with some members...

When I say "echelon", I mean my International governing board, my president. And believe me, she's been known to email all kinds of press releases and other things with the full brigade of legal power she manifests... So, it's not about a few disgruntled members of AKA on GC, from my perspective, and I think through a few of my "GC sorority chapter" (LOL), our hands are tied more so as to what can and cannot be stated beyond the AKA international website.

ETA: It's basically CYAing our GC personas...

The problem comes in when craziness is posted in other non-GLO thread forums. Like homegirl who "pointblank" said her mother is an AKA and she thinks she should not go legacy and go under recruitment for NPC and this thread was in the GL forum. That is an inappropriate discussion anywhere and she needs to have a personal reflection about how to live her life...

As far as what you all discussing, like LL's stuff--welp, it was bound to be shutdown and while I agree with what she said, it was her tone and the manner she said it to parents, which is an unwise thing to do overall--folks just don't like to hear their little princess is a hellion--LOL. I have no opinion about why it was archived, though.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

with the full brigade of legal power she manifests...

Lol at "full brigade of legal power". That full brigade of legal power should be pointed elsewhere where there's discussion of AKA ritual and other business on the web. A full brigade of legal power really won't be too concerned with a message board, unless something really big is going down.

Again, what you're talking about and what's being talked about in this thread are two totally different things.

(I must talk to someone in my office about being part of a "brigade").

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by kddani

(I must talk to someone in my office about being part of a "brigade").

-Rudey

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'd be interested in hearing a few non-mod perspectives on that, or whatever policies people think ought to be universal.

I think that the suggestion Jen made would go a long way toward helping cooling things down. Just offer a brief explanation of "why" -- something I think you usually do already.

Sure, there are some posts/threads where no explanation is needed -- inappropriate discussion of ritual and offers of CHEAP NOKIA PHONES come to mind. But for the kind of things being talked about here, a simple explanation might have prevented a lot of heat. (Or, it might have made a mod think twice before overreacting to begin with.)

Originally Posted by kddani

Lol at "full brigade of legal power". . . .
(I must talk to someone in my office about being part of a "brigade").

Maybe the lawyers here can join forces and be the brigade of legal power GC manifests.

[33girl]

The problem is that one person's "cutesy sarcasm" is another person's "harassment." You can say all you want about uniform enforcement of the TOS, but the fact is all the mods have different opinions.

Not to mention the opinions on the usage of "naughty words" differ greatly.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The problem is that one person's "cutesy sarcasm" is another person's "harassment." You can say all you want about uniform enforcement of the TOS, but the fact is all the mods have different opinions.

Not to mention the opinions on the usage of "naughty words" differ greatly.

I agree. I couldn't stand it when kddani used to harass me and others. I am happy that she's no longer a moderator because people have seen that her harassment is unacceptable.

What's new 33girl? You doing good in the Burgh even with those crazies in your city? Where's Tracey at these days?

-Rudey
--In NY, the Burg is where we go to find girls that have weird hair...it's great but different than your burgh.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Rudey

What's new 33girl? You doing good in the Burgh even with those crazies in your city? Where's Tracey at these days?

-Rudey
--In NY, the Burg is where we go to find girls that have weird hair...it's great but different than your burgh.

The biggest crazies are the ones who say if we don't have a drink tax we have to have a property tax. Unfortunately they are all in high county office.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I think that the suggestion Jen made would go a long way toward helping cooling things down. Just offer a brief explanation of "why" -- something I think you usually do already.

I think the suggestion Jen made is very reasonable and I said as much.

I'm just not sure how that's going to work for moderators who have to heavily edit/delete many posts/threads every day, especially in the middle of the recruitment season. I think that'd be a tough place to moderate.

Perhaps there is some middle ground? I know that many of us have posted stickies at the top of their forums indicating what is and is not okay. If someone knowingly does something contra to what those stickies indicate is kosher, why does that person deserve an individualized explanation when there is already one in plain sight?

Sure, there are some posts/threads where no explanation is needed -- inappropriate discussion of ritual and offers of CHEAP NOKIA PHONES come to mind. But for the kind of things being talked about here, a simple explanation might have prevented a lot of heat. (Or, it might have made a mod think twice before overreacting to begin with.)

This language seems to indicate that the problem here is not with "heavy -handed moderation, but rather the moderation decision or decisions of maybe one person? Maybe two? There are 65ish moderators on Greekchat. If we only have a problem with a couple of them, are we just getting greedy now in demanding perfection?

[MysticCat]

GCers . . . greedy?!

I see your point on the threads where heavy editing/modding is required. I would agree that could get hairy. But maybe just one note in an edited thread would suffice: "I'm having to do some heavy editing. Please re-read [link]this sticky[/link] to remind yourself of the forum rules before posting. Thanks."

I guess my feeling is that providing some explanation is in the mod's best interest.

[pbear19]

vBulletin may not have this capacity, but it's worth checking in to: On the board where I moderated, any time a mod made an edit to a member's post, the member got an email. We had a little box where we could explain the reason for our edit as we were making the edit. Thus, if we had to delete someone's post for being a personal attack, we could say "Post deleted due to inflammatory personal attack - please PM me if you have questions".

It made for a lot less moderator legwork, and also made for much happier members who felt like they were part of the system.

And we also did exactly what MysticCat just suggested. If we made several deletes inside a thread, we would post a message to say that we had removed posts. It served both as a explanation of our actions, and a reminder to people to cool off. Generally it came with a warning that if there were future violations the thread would be locked. (Never deleted, as I said in an earlier post (which ironically may have been deleted) we never deleted threads that had heavy conversation, we simply locked them because deletion is what upset so many people.)