Theta Nu Epsilon

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by Taconicus
First, I did a search. I came up with "The search term you specified (nu) is under the minimum word length (4) and therefore will not be found. Please make this term longer.
If this term contains a wildcard, please make this term more specific." I found this unproductive.

Yes, that "no words under 4 letters" thing can get you, but you just have to be a little creative. If you do a search for the terms "Theta," Nu" and "Machine, " you'll get these threads:

TNE -- The Bad Boys

The Machine at Alabama

The Machine

Skull and Bones

Bad News

Secret Society and GLOs

Doing a search for "Theta," Epsilon" and "Skull" will also turn up this additional thread:

Skull and Bones

All of these threads are either about TNE or include some discussion of TNE.

[Taconicus]

Originally posted by KatieKate1244
Your webpage is very nice. You all look like a bundle of fun.

We do what we can.

[Taconicus]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
Yes, that "no words under 4 letters" thing can get you, but you just have to be a little creative. If you do a search for the terms "Theta," Nu" and "Machine, " you'll get these threads:

TNE -- The Bad Boys

The Machine at Alabama

The Machine

Skull and Bones

Bad News

Secret Society and GLOs

Doing a search for "Theta," Epsilon" and "Skull" will also turn up this additional thread:

Skull and Bones

All of these threads are either about TNE or include some discussion of TNE.

Well, thanks for the help.

It does seem that most of those threads are a number of years old, so I guess I didn't miss much after all.

[Fratitude]

I think you guys are talking about the more infamous Theta Nu Epsilon chapters that have usually been around for decades at various campuses. They operate as a fraternity in and of themselves and have their own fraternal character. Some merged with or became secret societies that are political but operate independently of any GLO coordinating function. Chapters have various names that they use as well as Theta Nu Epsilon (TNE.)

In terms of what they do on campus, they often as an underground coordinating body for fraternities, societies and sometimes sororities. Where this happens the fraternities may have a representative that they may guess is rep or several reps to TNE but the TNE members does not necessarily share their membership status with the rest of their frat, relying upon their own pull and personal relationships. Because of this normally only the most popular students, usually office holders of some sort, are selected to TNE. This is nothing new or wrong and at any rate, is publicly knows because of the Alabama chapter of Theta Nu Epsilon (The Machine/Skull and Keys.)

In the South they TNE is dominated by old row fraternities and traditionally exclude cultural and multicultural fraternities. In the West they are dominated by smaller, newer fraternities. In the East they incorporate secret society and sometimes independent members. In the Midwest there often isn't a particular distinction.

Even though the original constitution forbids it, some groups have admitted sorority members and non-Christian members, whether because of changing times or because they needed the votes for elections. Some coordinate with these non-traditional groups for election purposes and other agendas but do not bring them in as members.

Expansion is always a problem, usually occurring through personal relationships. Every once in a while a TNE site or messages pop up from some chapter to facilitate expansion. Several fraternity members will get together and...

Recognition has been a general problem but anyone who has descended from the group would, presumably know "which way does the wind blow from" so to speak, know the officers titles, and know some of the same Greek and English phrases even if other things like grips or things change (as they have for say, Freemasons). There is also a code, that has been passed around, and which may have changed by chapter. This code though it is intended mainly for internal business of chapters. It can be seen on some of the items sold publicly by collectors.

Most operate independently. There are chapters however that coordinate amongst themselves; others have competing claims to legitimate authority in a region or nationally. Some groups spring up with the support of TNE at another campus. Despite this lack of recognized nationalized organizational structure, TNE are said to have a very politically powerful alumni base in some regions.

The self styled "Alpha Chapter" at Wesleyan is an public, co-ed society, NOT a fraternity and NOT an inter-fraternity group. They have several websites and groups. Apparently they exist to meet new friends, etc, with no agenda.

[Taconicus]

fratitude, your comments are entirely out of line, and are based on fantasy. There are no functioning chapters that do what you claim. You're spreading a fake rumor about Theta Nu Epsilon that it's some sort of secret coordinating body for fraternities. It isn't. You talk about chapters fo Theta Nu Epsilon doing all sorts of things when there are NO chapters of Theta Nu Epsilon doing these things.

Why lie to people about this?

There is one Theta Nu Epsilon, it has a national. It exists, and has existed since 1870. The chapters of Theta Nu Epsilon do not do anything of the things you, in your fantasies, dream about.

The society's webpage is www.thetanuepsilon.org

You, fratitude, are just a liar, talking about an imaginary society that does not exist. Get a clue.

[Fratitude]

A lot of you saw the post before it was taken down. Wasn't even remotely threatening, etc. Dunno what triggered that post of his, I never said anything negative about his group in first place; just c&p'd a bland descriptive sentence, a quote from a site by Christopher Kylin, acknowledged "General Secretary", spokesperson and "refounder" of the new Wesleyan TNE and the new Mystic Seven whose Masonic lodge in Connecticut was booted because of him. That's all public record by the way- Kylin acknowledges himself as this on his "Alpha" TNE page.

After Mr. "Taconicus" (whoever he is) had a shared his lovely message, I linked to a couple of articles- all publicly accessible, reputable, no threats or insults there either, most of which were linked above by other posters. I ended saying I wouldn't get into a back and forth. (What's the point of name calling and impugning w/o fact? And if the "last word" makes someone that happy why begrudge?)

Nevertheless Mr. "Taconicus" seems to have threatened the board managers to take even that down. Top shelf move champ!


-"Brain Dead Frat Boy"


"Christopher Kylin ‘84 did extensive research into the histories of many of the fraternities and societies at Wesleyan. Kylin took a particular interest in the Mystical Seven and, along with a few of his friends, decided to refound the society, despite the fact that the senior society, which was rarely seen or heard from on campus, continued to exist... The Father of one of the members, Mark Mullen, bought the volumes in their entirety for $6,000 and donated them to the archives at Wesleyan University. Kylin stayed in Middletown for fifteen years after he graduated... In 1990 a dispute erupted between the Senior society and Kylin’s group over which was the legitimate Mystical Seven. In a series of Argus editorials the Senior society based its legitimacy on its long history and ancient traditions while Kylin argued that the Spirit of the Mystical Seven had been lost after the Civil War and that his group was an attempt to recapture this original "Mystic Soul".- History of the Mystic Seven, Benjamin Wyatt Greene

"Recently (Wesleyan Chapter of Theta Nu Epsilon) has gotten itself back on its feet again, asserting its position as a national organization. It has both female and male members, and has held annual cocktail parties, or actually martini soirees. It also has no building, so there is no question of dining clubs and the like. For the past two semesters it has tried to get off the ground with a larger event, but to no avail. No doubt it will be making headlines soon though, especially since the society and its members walk that line between decorum and trouble." -Christopher Kylin, The Wesleyan Review, May 1990

"Whatever (n-a) cow pasture you were initiated in, you have no right or claim to the name Theta Nu Epsilon." - Taconicus (see above)

"Of the above, we can report that several of the locations were impressive or sentimental. The initiations at the stables were among the most fun." -Alpha Wesleyan's Theta Nu Epsilon Blog, May 20, 2008

This whole public thing is useless under these circumstances though. I'll live and let live, and wish those guys at Wesleyan the best. Can't tar a group cuz one person. And that's why they have the private message feature, right?

[Taconicus]

Originally Posted by Fratitude

A lot of you saw the post before it was taken down. Wasn't even remotely threatening, etc. Dunno what triggered that post of his, I never said anything negative about his group in first place;

An utter lie.

First you didn't have the courage of your position to leave it up, and now you're lying about it.

Originally Posted by Fratitude

After Mr. "Taconicus" (whoever he is) had a shared his lovely message, I linked to a couple of articles- all publicly accessible, reputable, no threats or insults there either, most of which were linked above by other posters.

Another lie.

Originally Posted by Fratitude

Nevertheless Mr. "Taconicus" seems to have threatened the board managers to take even that down. Top shelf move champ!

Never happened. Never contacted a board manager. Lying again.

You have to live with your own character.

[jon1856]

[quote=Fratitude;1668458]
Nevertheless Mr. "Taconicus" seems to have threatened the board managers to take even that down. Top shelf move champ!
Not too sure just who, or what you are, but I do not believe it is even possible to "threaten" any of the Mods, Super-Mods, or even the Board's Owner into doing anything.
As those of us who have been around GC for more that a month will tell you sometimes you have to wonder if they are going to do anything.. And you seem to have joined on 6/12/2008.

I hear a chain a-coming..........

[JupiterTC]

In before the lock!

[Fratitude]

I won't stoop to name calling. If I had some advice it would be: Stop posting in multiple names. IT'S REALLY OBVIOUS WHEN YOU ARE A MEMBER JUST TODAY AND IT IS YOUR FIRST POST "Charles deGaulle". Geez...

Stop talking about charges when you know that regardless of what you are doing in Connecticut, who you are denouncing initiates chapters for $0. What they raise they use. (Isn't that what the "Alpha Chapter" does?)

Stop chasing everyone over the web who types "TNE", using legalese to administrators about use of your name and then denying it, when you are your worst enemy. Stop making judgments of others who you know nothing about. Stop tracking down everyone else to call names, slander and defame them. Stop getting on frat boards when by your own words you're a 50 y.o. non-frat.

And stop scouring the web to denounce everyone. (Okay the Masons kicked your Lodge out but it isn't because they are some crazy conspiratorial organization with new conspiracies hatching and folding each few years or as you say "Taconicus".) And if you are going to do all that still, don't use the use the same methods and words for people in ten different places, over and over again "Taconicus".

Of course its not you, it's everyone else. We're done Chris Kylin and deGaulle and Taconicus. You have another board to denounce and name call and slander, etc. We agree that you are doing a lot of work in Wesleyan. Good luck with what you're doing.

[DSTCHAOS]

IBTL

And to say:

1) Maybe Taconicus doesn't know about the meetings of powerful members because he/she isn't powerful and in the know. Maybe and maybe not.

2) I read the pin link and it's interesting how they traced the different pins. I was baffled at the mention of "illegitimate" and "rogue" chapters, though, but I guess it's important to keep track of those if you can.

[DSTCHAOS]

(Okay is there another active thread on this topic? I think I read another thread but posted in this one.)

[Taconicus]

I owe every reader here an apology, and I do apologize.

It turns out that Theta Nu Epsilon has a stalker, and that stalker, Fratitude, is stalking the society and me through the internet. I apologize because somehow, after I got him off other sites, he's now made a home for himself here.

Unfortunately, Fratitude will be taking up much of your website's time and attention, and I don't know what you can do to be rid of it.

He says I'm "chasing everyone over the web who types TNE", but he's the one who came to greekchat.com to post in many-year-old dead threads. Places where I posted years ago.

And I won't comment here on the affairs of other societies.

All I'm going to say is this; notice, notice carefully, that twice now I've posted :

The whole system you describe: you've never seen large meetings of powerful alumni members, no meetings with chapters from all over. How about important measures politically forced through at some university; name one. Some exercise of power? Have you seen any of these things? None of it. I know you haven't seen these things, because I know they don't exist.

And he has not challenged it. He can't. There are no meetings. There is no power, no influence. There is no society as he describes. He knows it. He knows he's a member of nothing. This clumsy ad hominem attack of his is just to hide the fact that called him out on his lie.


Oh, and deGaulle? Yes, she's a real person, and when I showed her the Fratitude posts, she thought he was ridiculous and just had to post.

[Taconicus]

Great, you posted a link to the Nebraskan which shows that some illegitimate bunch of brain-dead frat boys publish a load of the most purile garbage and are an embarassment to their university, a link to articles on Alabama, which hasn't been a part of Theta Nu Epsilon in close to a century, and a article about fifty year old activities at USC.

Your first post was a flat out lie. You make it seem you represent some sort of society when you've got nothing. You have no chapters, no organization, no members and no future. I don't know whether you're some moronic frat boy who actually believes the "secret society that actually runs universities from behind the scenes" bullshit some drunk old fart alum told you, or whether you're the drunk old fart alum, but you you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

You don't know what the society is about, what anything in the society means, what the whole purpose has been since the beginning.

Whatever cow pasture you were initiated in, you have no right or claim to the name Theta Nu Epsilon.

The fact that you would come on here and just flat out lie to people and claim you were a part of some large organization is just laughable. You and whoever you're with ought to be sued for fraud for trying to sell them such bull.

There is no organization like you described. It's made up.

The good news is that you're doomed. In the long run, your pathetic game, that little boys club of yours, is doomed. You're a dinosaur, and your childish game is just about up.

You represent no tradition, no organization, no history, no society.

You are a member of nothing.

You should try to think, for once in your life, if the Theta Nu Epsilon you described actually existed, how come YOU have never seen it? The whole system you describe: you've never seen large meetings of powerful alumni members, no meetings with chapters from all over. How about important measures politically forced through at some university; name one. Some exercise of power? Have you seen any of these things? None of it. I know you haven't seen these things, because I know they don't exist. I know what you have and what you do. And I know what you're a member of. How come you don't?

You were sold a fraud yourself, and you've been here trying to scam others just like you've been scammed.

Why are you posting here trying to get people to think you're a member of something powerful and important when you're not?

Now that's pathetic. You can think I'm one guy or another, you can rant and rave, you can post all the attacks you want. But your post is a lie, it's selling a lie to people, and you ought to be ashamed of it.


Theta Nu Epsilon is an honorable organization that never needs to hide in the shadows.

Originally Posted by Taconicus

Great, you posted a link to the Nebraskan which shows that some illegitimate bunch of brain-dead frat boys publish a load of the most purile garbage and are an embarassment to their university, a link to articles on Alabama, which hasn't been a part of Theta Nu Epsilon in close to a century, and a article about fifty year old activities at USC.

Your first post was a flat out lie. You make it seem you represent some sort of society when you've got nothing. You have no chapters, no organization, no members and no future. I don't know whether you're some moronic frat boy who actually believes the "secret society that actually runs universities from behind the scenes" bullshit some drunk old fart alum told you, or whether you're the drunk old fart alum, but you you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

You don't know what the society is about, what anything in the society means, what the whole purpose has been since the beginning.

Whatever cow pasture you were initiated in, you have no right or claim to the name Theta Nu Epsilon.

The fact that you would come on here and just flat out lie to people and claim you were a part of some large organization is just laughable. You and whoever you're with ought to be sued for fraud for trying to sell them such bull.

There is no organization like you described. It's made up.

The good news is that you're doomed. In the long run, your pathetic game, that little boys club of yours, is doomed. You're a dinosaur, and your childish game is just about up.

You represent no tradition, no organization, no history, no society.

You are a member of nothing.

You should try to think, for once in your life, if the Theta Nu Epsilon you described actually existed, how come YOU have never seen it? The whole system you describe: you've never seen large meetings of powerful alumni members, no meetings with chapters from all over. How about important measures politically forced through at some university; name one. Some exercise of power? Have you seen any of these things? None of it. I know you haven't seen these things, because I know they don't exist. I know what you have and what you do. And I know what you're a member of. How come you don't?

You were sold a fraud yourself, and you've been here trying to scam others just like you've been scammed.

Why are you posting here trying to get people to think you're a member of something powerful and important when you're not?

Now that's pathetic. You can think I'm one guy or another, you can rant and rave, you can post all the attacks you want. But your post is a lie, it's selling a lie to people, and you ought to be ashamed of it.


Theta Nu Epsilon is an honorable organization that never needs to hide in the shadows.

Well, I'm glad you found the fight that you were obviously looking for. Thumbs up dude!

Kitso
KS 361