Mccain, just saying what he thinks we want to hear?

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by Tinia2

perhaps going back to the op, while mccain seems to say at every possible moment that he is against any and all new taxes, his actions and deeds seem to indicate other wise http://www.slate.com/id/2196336/

EXACTLY... I don't know if Obama is feeding us a bunch of shit, or he is absolutely serious, because if it is shit, they make sure it don't stink... but it is shit like this from the McCain Campaign that just gets me flabbergasted that McCain made it this far in the election. And now it is a ruthless mud slinging contest, because McCain KNOWS the military does not support campaigning on military bases, and thus the Pentagon asked Obama not to attend European bases as he does not have any official business that needs to take place there. Obama respected the wishes of the Pentagon, there is nothing wrong with that. On and On and On... and now they are playing the race card again by shouting here and there that Obama is playing the race card.

Now, I expect all this mud slinging mumbo jumbo from the campaigns and the fundraisers and the protesters, etc... But all this coming straight from McCain's mouth... the guy who one the republican nomination by saying he will run a high-minded campaign...

[Tinia2]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

EXACTLY... I don't know if Obama is feeding us a bunch of shit, or he is absolutely serious, because if it is shit, they make sure it don't stink... but it is shit like this from the McCain Campaign that just gets me flabbergasted that McCain made it this far in the election. And now it is a ruthless mud slinging contest, because McCain KNOWS the military does not support campaigning on military bases, and thus the Pentagon asked Obama not to attend European bases as he does not have any official business that needs to take place there. Obama respected the wishes of the Pentagon, there is nothing wrong with that. On and On and On... and now they are playing the race card again by shouting here and there that Obama is playing the race card.

Now, I expect all this mud slinging mumbo jumbo from the campaigns and the fundraisers and the protesters, etc... But all this coming straight from McCain's mouth... the guy who one the republican nomination by saying he will run a high-minded campaign...

thank you and i agree with your posting. but bear in mind this is what happens when a campaign signs on to it every available former w. campaign worker. does it matter to them that once out their work gets taken apart? no it does not. one reason is that they get free broadcast of it as a news story. others are that many people will not hear, learn or take their own time to find the errors. and it will leave doubt remaining in voters minds. however mccains saying that he is proud of their work is surprising.
and for those here who may not know of a rather well known non-political fact check site http://factcheck.org/ check out just how they take apart the ads that mccain is so proud of. as well as other ads.

added: i just heard that mccains group has a new ad out with obama and charles heston. mccain claims that they are just having fun and sees nothing wrong with ad campaign.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by Tinia2

added: i just heard that mccains group has a new ad out with obama and charles heston. mccain claims that they are just having fun and sees nothing wrong with ad campaign.

Yes, I saw that ad... Its weird and unorthodox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5NLDM26_4

It reminded me of a stereotypical church video... kind of like the Cruise Scientology one or the late night informercials. The video has this mockery of him being the messiah, but its whole point in the end is asking if he is ready to lead, which is weird, because the video does not sell this question. This was probably done by some campaign aide, and not someone who is involved with the PR of the campaign.

[Tinia2]

and now they are going after the new york times. this, out of all the junk mccains champaign has pulled this week alone, almost just about makes some sense and as the story shows could have some benefit to them in some areas or quarters:
http://news.aol.com/elections/articl...970x1200352336

[KSigkid]

Obama's shift on drilling?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t..._drilling.html

I hate posting this stuff, because these types of story are useless without context. But, I'm kind of sick of this ridiculous idea that McCain is shifting more or less than Obama on issues.

I really wish the Republicans hadn't used the "flip-flop" strategy against Kerry the last time around. Politicians have changes of heart and policy throughout the campaign anyway, and there were LOTS of other areas to use to criticize Kerry.

[Tinia2]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Obama's shift on drilling?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t..._drilling.html

I hate posting this stuff, because these types of story are useless without context. But, I'm kind of sick of this ridiculous idea that McCain is shifting more or less than Obama on issues.

I really wish the Republicans hadn't used the "flip-flop" strategy against Kerry the last time around. Politicians have changes of heart and policy throughout the campaign anyway, and there were LOTS of other areas to use to criticize Kerry.

i agree with you ksgkid. this from factcheck.org, while not about this story, is about drilling and may give some context and background to it. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2..._nonsense.html and
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ut_energy.html
after this weekend, factcheck and other sites like it will not doubt have updates sometime this upcoming week.

[SWTXBelle]

I'm tired of politics becoming this giant game of "gotcha!" where everyone waits to jump on a candidate if he/she misspeaks, changes his/her mind, or seems to "flip/flop". I'm certainly all for holding candidates accountable, but it is being taken to an extreme.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'm tired of politics becoming this giant game of "gotcha!" where everyone waits to jump on a candidate if he/she misspeaks, changes his/her mind, or seems to "flip/flop". I'm certainly all for holding candidates accountable, but it is being taken to an extreme.

This is just a natural product of a longer election cycle, and a media that covers every single word.

I love politics, and find all this talk very interesting, but I agree that it gets to be a bit much.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Obama's shift on drilling?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t..._drilling.html

I hate posting this stuff, because these types of story are useless without context. But, I'm kind of sick of this ridiculous idea that McCain is shifting more or less than Obama on issues.

I really wish the Republicans hadn't used the "flip-flop" strategy against Kerry the last time around. Politicians have changes of heart and policy throughout the campaign anyway, and there were LOTS of other areas to use to criticize Kerry.

This is an Obama-fan/anti-McCain thread. Stop leveling the field.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

This is an Obama-fan/anti-McCain thread. Stop leveling the field.

Haha, sorry about that; I am, after all, a great thread-killer (threads seem to die out after I post).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Haha, sorry about that; I am, after all, a great thread-killer (threads seem to die out after I post).

It has withstood the both of us. It's here to stay.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I really wish the Republicans hadn't used the "flip-flop" strategy against Kerry the last time around. Politicians have changes of heart and policy throughout the campaign anyway, and there were LOTS of other areas to use to criticize Kerry.

Amen.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'm tired of politics becoming this giant game of "gotcha!" where everyone waits to jump on a candidate if he/she misspeaks, changes his/her mind, or seems to "flip/flop". I'm certainly all for holding candidates accountable, but it is being taken to an extreme.

And Amen.