Mccain, just saying what he thinks we want to hear?

[DSTCHAOS]

They are both saying what they think we want to hear. They need us to believe them and vote for them, afterall. At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.

Voters need to remember that campaigns are largely based on hypotheticals and hopes for the future. Unless these candidates have psychics on their campaigns, there is no telling what can realistically be done with most of the issues on their platforms.

Will tax increases and other changes reduce the inequality gap and improve conditions for the average American? Maybe not and at least not immediately.

Will we be able to remove troops from the Middle East and/or will it have the outcome that we hope for? Maybe not and at least not immediately.

Will we be able to find Bin Laden and bring him to justice? Maybe not and at least not immediately.

Either candidate could completely flop as POTUS. Voting is similar to a more informed game of chance in that sense.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

They are both saying what they think we want to hear.

Which is the proverbial "bottom line" on any election.

As a cynic might say, "How do you know when a politician is lying? Whenever his lips are moving..."

That's a little too cynical even for me. I think both candidates are smart, honorable men, but unfortunately elections seem to be to have become more of a popularity contest than they should be, with decisions and arguments being made for a lot of the wrong reasons.

It's interesting to me that a Republican woman is supposedly on Obama's potential VP list. That would certainly shake up "politics as usual."

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

It's interesting to me that a Republican woman is supposedly on Obama's potential VP list. That would certainly shake up "politics as usual."

See, and the super-cynic in me would consider that pandering of the highest order if he were to actually go that route.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

See, and the super-cynic in me would consider that pandering of the highest order if he were to actually go that route.

You might be right.

It's a question that occurred to me.

Caroline Kennedy is leading the search committee.

Is she politically savvy enough to pull off this kind of thing -- or is it someone else's idea?

I guess we'll see how it all ends up.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

They are both saying what they think we want to hear. They need us to believe them and vote for them, afterall. At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.

Please show me proof that Obama has said what he thought we wanted to hear, and not what he truly felt... please... in return for each piece of evidence, I will show you at least TWO proofs of evidence for McCain...

the flip flop name calling worked in the last election, but it is hard for the Republican party to do so this time when they have a candidate whose political views LITERALLY change every two seconds... he use to be considered rather liberal for a republican... until he ran for the Republican Candidacy, and then suddenly he is conservative... until he GOT the candidacy and now he is moderate?

I, in my very cynical and skeptical methods, have researched and researched contradicting terms of Obama, and find them to be way to few than McCains

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Please show me proof that Obama has said what he thought we wanted to hear.....

Show me proof that he hasn't.

See how this works?

Great.

If you truly read my post, you wouldn't have responded as you did.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Show me proof that he hasn't.

See how this works?

Great.

If you truly read my post, you wouldn't have responded as you did.

Well, I TRULY did read your post... and quite frankly, I think its a load of mumbo jumbo superiority crap, so I mainly dismissed it.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Well, I TRULY did read your post... and quite frankly, I think its a load of mumbo jumbo superiority crap, so I mainly dismissed it.

Well, I read your post and frankly, I think it' a load of kool-aid-drinking ivory tower bullshit.

Seriously, you don't think Obama has ever said something just because he thought people wanted to hear it?

CHANGE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO HOPE FOR AS CHANGE IN YOUR CHANGEHOPE CHANGE.

The guy is a rhetorical wizard - that's basically the definition of "saying what you think people want to hear. Come on, dude.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Well, I read your post and frankly, I think it' a load of kool-aid-drinking ivory tower bullshit.

Seriously, you don't think Obama has ever said something just because he thought people wanted to hear it?

CHANGE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO HOPE FOR AS CHANGE IN YOUR CHANGEHOPE CHANGE.

The guy is a rhetorical wizard - that's basically the definition of "saying what you think people want to hear. Come on, dude.

The idea that Obama is infallible, or that he doesn't practice the same type of campaigning as other politicians, is hilarious.

Also - no one who knew anything about McCain ever thought he was "liberal" for a Republican. Even during his "crusader" days, he still held a ton of conservative positions.

If you want Obama as President, support him, by all means. However, please don't act like he's some exception to the rule. He's playing the game too.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

The idea that Obama is infallible, or that he doesn't practice the same type of campaigning as other politicians, is hilarious.

Also - no one who knew anything about McCain ever thought he was "liberal" for a Republican. Even during his "crusader" days, he still held a ton of conservative positions.

If you want Obama as President, support him, by all means. However, please don't act like he's some exception to the rule. He's playing the game too.

I keep telling people that Obama walks on water.

It's interesting how people respond to me when I critique Obama in everyday interactions. The whites are shocked that a black person would think of Obama as a typical politician and the blacks are ready to revoke my "black card" and throw me off of a building. It can get heated but I always find it amusing.

This doesn't mean that I don't think Obama is a promising candidate, as promising as politicians can be, or that I might not vote for him. It means that if I vote for him it isn't based on my loyalty to Obama.

ETA: Obama seems like a cool person but that likeability doesn't a President make. Hell, Dubya seems like a cool person sometimes.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

Well, I TRULY did read your post... and quite frankly, I think its a load of mumbo jumbo superiority crap, so I mainly dismissed it.

Superiority of whom over whom? That doesn't even make sense.

Anyway, if you TRULY read my post, you'd know that the main point is that voters don't know with certainty who is lying and who is telling the truth. Or if both are lying. Or if both are telling the truth. The outcomes are uncertain either way.

Originally Posted by what went over your head

At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.

I, personally, believe that politics are about lies. You believe in Obama. I don't believe in candidates. Ever. Politics won't stop because of the differing opinions of it.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

They are both saying what they think we want to hear. They need us to believe them and vote for them, afterall. At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.

Voters need to remember that campaigns are largely based on hypotheticals and hopes for the future. Unless these candidates have psychics on their campaigns, there is no telling what can realistically be done with most of the issues on their platforms.

This is especially since what most people get are out-of-context statements and sound bites, which are then dissected by media members who want an above-the-fold story, or the lead story on a broadcast.

I've learned, from having friends and family members with important jobs in big campaigns, to take everything with a grain of salt.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

This is especially since what most people get are out-of-context statements and sound bites, which are then dissected by media members who want an above-the-fold story, or the lead story on a broadcast.

I've learned, from having friends and family members with important jobs in big campaigns, to take everything with a grain of salt.

Exactly.

I have friends who work for big campaigns and I laugh at them because they are so passionate about the candidate. It sucks to be passionate about a candidate because politics should be "business never personal." I don't foresee myself working for a big political campaign because 1) I hate politics and 2) I would hate the conflict between my loyalty to the person (and, I guess, the platform--right) and calling BULLISHT on certain things.