Batman-The Dark Knight

moe.ron · #1 07-22-2008, 10:34 AM

If there should be a third (the final installment for Chris Nolan), who do you think should be the next villan?

Suggestions:
The Ridler (my personal favorite)
Bane (the comic book version, not the awful movie version)
Black Mask

DaemonSeid · #2 07-22-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron

If there should be a third (the final installment for Chris Nolan), who do you think should be the next villan?

Suggestions:
The Ridler (my personal favorite)
Bane (the comic book version, not the awful movie version)
Black Mask

Hmmm....they cant keep going back and doing villains they already used...I mean they basically retooled the Joker and Two Face from the 80's ones....

Jim Carrey's Riddler was pretty cool...hmmmm

Bring back the League of Assassins with Ra's Al Gul's daughter Talia, running the show

Hush (alias Thomas Elliott, Bruce's long time friend)

Killer Croc

BUT...they HAVE to do Hugo Strange!!! Comeon ...someone who knows Batman's identity and is insane enough to try and kill Burce to BECOME Batman???

moe.ron · #3 07-22-2008, 11:18 AM

Hush would be a good character to have.

The Riddler would have a lot of potential in Nolan's world. Imagine a Jigsaw (from SAW) kind of character that goes on a killing spree, but he leaves Riddler after he kills all his victims.

KSig RC · #4 07-22-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron

Hush would be a good character to have.

The Riddler would have a lot of potential in Nolan's world. Imagine a Jigsaw (from SAW) kind of character that goes on a killing spree, but he leaves Riddler after he kills all his victims.

The Riddler doesn't fit at all in Nolan's Gotham.

Hush would be great, but you're starting from scratch - none of the backstory has been laid.

It'll be a combination of Catwoman and Ra's Al Gul most likely. Nolan has already stated there would be no Penguin, and has openly doubted the viability of the Riddler.

starang21 · #5 07-22-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

The Riddler doesn't fit at all in Nolan's Gotham.

Hush would be great, but you're starting from scratch - none of the backstory has been laid.

It'll be a combination of Catwoman and Ra's Al Gul most likely. Nolan has already stated there would be no Penguin, and has openly doubted the viability of the Riddler.

ok.....who is hush? i've seen the comics. there was a special on the joker, and they said that he's the perfect villian for batman. something about how the joker is the complete antithesis of what batman stands for.

KSig RC · #6 07-22-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by starang21

ok.....who is hush? i've seen the comics. there was a special on the joker, and they said that he's the perfect villian for batman. something about how the joker is the complete antithesis of what batman stands for.

DS's wikipedia link goes through it well - I'm not much of a comics guy, so I don't really care about continuity issues, but they're kind of cornered with Ledger being dead and all, so it'll be interesting to see what they do.

The Joker is perfect for Batman because their interaction is actually much deeper than it really should be for a comic hero/villain setup - the Joker really exists to get Batman's attention, and wouldn't exist without Batman. It has literary father/son and teacher/student undertones, etc. Very weird, but much more there than you'd expect - that's similar to why Iron Man worked, but I couldn't give a shit about Daredevil or anything else. Depth.

DaemonSeid · #7 07-22-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

DS's wikipedia link goes through it well - I'm not much of a comics guy, so I don't really care about continuity issues, but they're kind of cornered with Ledger being dead and all, so it'll be interesting to see what they do.

The Joker is perfect for Batman because their interaction is actually much deeper than it really should be for a comic hero/villain setup - the Joker really exists to get Batman's attention, and wouldn't exist without Batman. It has literary father/son and teacher/student undertones, etc. Very weird, but much more there than you'd expect - that's similar to why Iron Man worked, but I couldn't give a shit about Daredevil or anything else. Depth.

Ksic...i was thinking more like a yin yang kinda thing...not so much father/ son...

The Joker is Batman's barometer....he exists to remind Batman that there is a line that he can never cross if he is ever to stay true to himself al tho the Joker is more than willing to accomodate.

I will agree with you about daredevil...I hated that movie....but this is what's going on here....as each superhero franchise is being brought to life onscreen, writers and creators are doing whta it takes to add more life and breadth to these otherwise 2D characters....

it's kinda like......Superman set a bar that wasn't rivalled until batman.......then another long period went by and then Spiderman and as each movie behind Spiderman came thru the floodgates, moviemakers realized that they had to make sure they got them as right as possible if they were gonna keep fans....which is why Dark Knight has set another bar that others coming behind it will be hard pressed to overcome...

DaemonSeid · #8 07-22-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC

The Riddler doesn't fit at all in Nolan's Gotham.

Hush would be great, but you're starting from scratch - none of the backstory has been laid.

It'll be a combination of Catwoman and Ra's Al Gul most likely. Nolan has already stated there would be no Penguin, and has openly doubted the viability of the Riddler.

The Riddler as he described it could actually work.......

shyt....Batman vs Jigsaw could work....LOL

DaemonSeid · #9 07-22-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron

Hush would be a good character to have.

The Riddler would have a lot of potential in Nolan's world. Imagine a Jigsaw (from SAW) kind of character that goes on a killing spree, but he leaves Riddler after he kills all his victims.

moe...here ya go

http://comics.ign.com/articles/888/888464p1.html

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Originally Posted by starang21

ok.....who is hush? i've seen the comics. there was a special on the joker, and they said that he's the perfect villian for batman. something about how the joker is the complete antithesis of what batman stands for.

starang....check this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_%28comics%29

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Hush

epchick · #10 07-23-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

moe...here ya go

http://comics.ign.com/articles/888/888464p1.html

I would also really like to see the Riddler in the next installment, he was my favorite.

I also liked that link Daemon! But I don't agree with the author's ideas of who should be cast in the roles. Isla Fisher, Shannyn Sossamon? Really?

I hope they don't recast the Joker. I mean, who can pull it off after Ledger?