New Lampados Program.

[Senusret I]

Although I do agree with you to an extent, NIC frats never had to endure MSP or MIP..... imagine the uproar if they got rid of Balanced Man and replaced it with 21 days, two weekends, or 3 days.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Although I do agree with you to an extent, NIC frats never had to endure MSP or MIP..... imagine the uproar if they got rid of Balanced Man and replaced it with 21 days, two weekends, or 3 days.

But, in their context, the move to have "dry" houses is an apt analogy. It was smart of many of the "white" NIC groups to make these programs voluntary, although there has been a lot of resistence to them.

[Senusret I]

I am almost certain I've known of Pyramids and Deltas post-1990 going to chapel together.

[5Knowledge1913]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I am almost certain I've known of Pyramids and Deltas post-1990 going to chapel together.

Well, since it did not happen with my line or recent lines from my chapter, there should be something written to actually enforce this rather than make it simply tradition.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by 5Knowledge1913

Well, since it did not happen with my line or recent lines from my chapter, there should be something written to actually enforce this rather than make it simply tradition.

I disagree. Not everyone is of the same faith or any faith. To mandate that someone attend a church service is a violation of that person's rights.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I am almost certain I've known of Pyramids and Deltas post-1990 going to chapel together.

Yes, but on a volunteer basis.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Yes, but on a volunteer basis.

As I agree that it should be.

I would have had major problems being asked or expected to attend a Christian church service as part of my intake process.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

As I agree that it should be.

I would have had major problems being asked or expected to attend a Christian church service as part of my intake process.

Your response reminds me of a menacing, sarcastic refrain we would constantly hear while I was on line: 'You ain't gotta take this s@$t!'

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Yes, but on a volunteer basis.

If memory recalls, we attended church together on a voluntary basis. We so happened to all be of the Christian faith. Since there were different denominations among us, we attended services that were nondenominational. Good experience.

As an aside: People also have to remember the difference between voluntary and "voluntary." Don't tell people they have a choice if they realistically don't and will be treated differently if they opt out.

[DSTCHAOS]

Interesting thread discourse.

That is all.

[Senusret I]

So by remediation, do you mean there should be classes and workshops on etiquette, how to tie a tie, how to enjoy the opera, etc?

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

So by remediation, do you mean there should be classes and workshops on etiquette, how to tie a tie, how to enjoy the opera, etc?

Yes, etiquette--personal and business, communication skills,etc. But it's even deeper, having to do with social skills that are essential for the healthy functioning society--things that I took for granted growing up as a black Southerner. And male-female relationships, STDs,etc.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

So by remediation, do you mean there should be classes and workshops on etiquette, how to tie a tie, how to enjoy the opera, etc?

This reminds of an incident at a District Council meeting I attended when I lived in the Los Angeles area. An undergrad came to the meeting dressed in street clothes (a nice pair of jeans and a shirt) and he slouched in his chair when he sat down. The chair stopped the meeting and reminded him that the attire for the meeting was business (suit and tie) and then and the Brothers went on to speak to him about how to conduct oneself in a business context and to be a proud, black professional man.

And I had a long conversation the other day about acculturation issues and "shifting" with a Brother in my present chapter who struggled with this. What helped him resolve this was his LB. His LB, who is a VP at TIAA-Cref in NYC, is an "owt Bruh." He'd never seen him outside of a Fraternity or social context. When he saw him in his business environment, he thought that this was a different person. This helped him resolve some of his ambivalent feelings surrounding some of things he'd faced. The fraternal context is a perfect place to broach this issue (and others!)

[Senusret I]

Yayyyy us in this thread two years ago. We could have saved Greekdom if they had listened to us.

lol

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Yayyyy us in this thread two years ago. We could have saved Greekdom if they had listened to us.

lol

One of my fav threads. I was just referencing this program a few weeks ago in a convo with a Soror.