Congrats to Michelle Obama

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by starang21

my experience with NPC sororites is very limited to a couple cuties from undergrad. but if some fraternities have them, some sororities will to have them as well.

Yeah, maybe, but I think the thing is that with NPCs it varies a lot from campus to campus and all groups sort of aspire to similar things. You might find that at every campus there are eight sorority stereotypes, but the NPC groups that embody each don't overlap that much beyond the campus or especially regional level.

I really do think that some of the issue is that there are so many NPCs and IFCs. Very few people are going to have even met more than one member of some groups.

But if there are only four or five groups nationally, the reputations for a particular group are going to overlap with what's thought about them on other campuses a lot more, if only as a function of the math. And if you have a well-known common history, the reputation may overlap and be more consistent even more that just math would predict.

ETA: Maybe we could think of nine NPC and IFC groups with national reputations, but when you get to ten, nobody can remember what it is that they are supposed to assume about the group. Heck, even Iota Phi Theta may seem a little fuzzy on my stereotype-meter.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Yeah, maybe

whew....end discussion.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

whew....end discussion.

Which was so different from this

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Well, one of the things that I think is different is that NPHCs seem to have national reputations, types (or stereotypes) while NPC or IFC groups generally usually just have campus level reputations, types (or stereotypes).

how?

Because "generally" and "maybe" are both so absolute?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Because "generally" and "maybe" are both so absolute?

Well if you were just talking about "generally" and "maybe" then what the hell were you trying to debate with me when I said "I, and many NPCers and IFCers, think that you all also have national reputations and stereotypes?"

If you weren't speaking in absolutes, which I wasn't either, just reiterate that and keep it moving. Instead, you spent time asking questions as if you had never heard of NPC stereotypes.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Well if you were just talking about "generally" and "maybe" then what the hell were you trying to debate with me when I said "I, and many NPCers and IFCers, think that you all also have national reputations and stereotypes?"

If you weren't speaking in absolutes, which I wasn't either, just reiterate that and keep it moving. Instead, you spent time asking questions as if you had never heard of NPC stereotypes.

Because I still don't fundamentally believe you.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Because I still don't fundamentally believe you.

About the existence of NPC stereotypes? Shut up.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

About the existence of NPC stereotypes? Shut up.

That.

And that they don't approach the significance of those of NPHC groups. [Eta: or should this be said as that I don't believe that they do approach. . . ]

Be honest, would we even have a thread with more than one post if Cindy McCain had been offered honorary membership in an NPC group? (theoretically, of course, since since she's already a member of one). Or if Pike offered one to John McCain?

It's the well-known prestige of the group and it's national clearly formed identity and, dare I say it, status that partially makes the Michelle Obama AKA story newsworthy*.

If it were one of 26 NPC groups, would it have even registered with non-members which one it was? Or even if we want to say there are 5 or 10 NPCs that have more prestige and status than the others, would it have mattered which one of those it was?

* I think all Divine 9 groups have status, prestige, and identity, but that it might mean something to people that Michelle Obama would select AKA as her one group, versus a different group in a way that is quite different than people saying "Oh, John McCain picked Phi Delta Theta." Her agreeing to AKA says something about her as well as the group.

ETA: I realize saying that Michelle Obama picked AKA is a little weird, but honesty, if she has approached the grad chapter of any of the others, would they have said no?