Fall Rush at UGA

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I've wondered the same thing about who is really doing the online rankings, outings, etc.

I can completely see a nice guy from a good chapter taking a little time to explain how stuff works just because he's a nice guy and because he wants to make sure his chapter keeps getting good guys.

I can't really see a guy from a good chapter preferring to spend his time talking crap about other chapters or doing online research about other posters when he could be enjoying whatever spoils come from actually being in a top tier chapter.

Unless it's recent alums from good chapters who are really bored at work, maybe.

The tiers listed tend to be right on. And there generally isn't a whole lot of bashing other chapters at your school (unless someone who you know to be bottom tier starts trying to act like they're the sh*t), that's more on JuicyCampus and is more bottom tier guys. Most of it is recent alums at work/actives in class who have to be there but don't have anything better to do.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

The tiers listed tend to be right on. And there generally isn't a whole lot of bashing other chapters at your school (unless someone who you know to be bottom tier starts trying to act like they're the sh*t), that's more on JuicyCampus and is more bottom tier guys. Most of it is recent alums at work/actives in class who have to be there but don't have anything better to do.

This is exactly true. People who are 2nd tier accept the 2nd tier. Not a terrible lot of bitching unless it's like a "Are they low 1st or top 2nd tier?" type thing.There's only bitching and fighting when it's some Acacia from Texas claiming that they're fratty or something like that. I mean come on.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

This is exactly true. People who are 2nd tier accept the 2nd tier. Not a terrible lot of bitching unless it's like a "Are they low 1st or top 2nd tier?" type thing.There's only bitching and fighting when it's some Acacia from Texas claiming that they're fratty or something like that. I mean come on.

I don't doubt the rankings are basically accurate although I do sometimes wonder how people can get impressions to discern among different tier groups that they don't really associate with.

I would think that within your own tier, you'd actually know, but beyond that, how would anyone know about groups that they weren't having socials with who weren't clearly outstanding or on the brink of folding?

I've said this before, I think: the rankings may do disservice to the kind of journeyman groups that are a pleasure to be in and make college more fun but aren't really dazzling folks in the first tier. Guys and girls who aren't going to get bids to the top groups (because of lack of connections or whatever) might really benefit from looking at these groups in some other context other than just as third tier or whatever.

It's particularly true for girls who don't really end up having that much control over rush. If you aren't getting a bid to a higher tier group, what good does it do to know in advance that the group that wants you is "bottom feeder" in the eyes of a guy who graduated three years ago or even that the group is bottom half of the second tier?

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I don't doubt the rankings are basically accurate although I do sometimes wonder how people can get impressions to discern among different tier groups that they don't really associate with.

I would think that within your own tier, you'd actually know, but beyond that, how would anyone know about groups that they weren't having socials with who weren't clearly outstanding or on the brink of folding?

I've said this before, I think: the rankings may do disservice to the kind of journeyman groups that are a pleasure to be in and make college more fun but aren't really dazzling folks in the first tier. Guys and girls who aren't going to get bids to the top groups (because of lack of connections or whatever) might really benefit from looking at these groups in some other context other than just as third tier or whatever.

It's particularly true for girls who don't really end up having that much control over rush. If you aren't getting a bid to a higher tier group, what good does it do to know in advance that the group that wants you is "bottom feeder" in the eyes of a guy who graduated three years ago or even that the group is bottom half of the second tier?

The guys tiers are a lot more important I think, because if you're rushing it makes a big difference to know if in the middle tiers you're looking at a house that is only slightly worse than the very best houses or a house that is a lot closer to the houses where you might as well not join a fraternity than it is to the top ones.

Sorority tiers on the other hand are based primarily on which of the fraternity tiers they do their events with, then ranked within that tier by what stereotype fits their house.

And obviously some of the lower tier houses may be a lot of fun or very rewarding to be in, just they do very poorly if judged by the same categories which establish who the very top houses are.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

The guys tiers are a lot more important I think, because if you're rushing it makes a big difference to know if in the middle tiers you're looking at a house that is only slightly worse than the very best houses or a house that is a lot closer to the houses where you might as well not join a fraternity than it is to the top ones.

Sorority tiers on the other hand are based primarily on which of the fraternity tiers they do their events with, then ranked within that tier by what stereotype fits their house.

And obviously some of the lower tier houses may be a lot of fun or very rewarding to be in, just they do very poorly if judged by the same categories which establish who the very top houses are.

It's interesting that you say that about sorority tiers being primarily based on fraternity socials. I think popularity with fraternities is a component of sorority tiers and is the primary reason why some groups can't ever move up to the next level, but I had considered recruitment results the primary thing for sororities.

Interesting.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

It's interesting that you say that about sorority tiers being primarily based on fraternity socials. I think popularity with fraternities is a component of sorority tiers and is the primary reason why some groups can't ever move up to the next level, but I had considered recruitment results the primary thing for sororities.

Interesting.

Well, when you see these tiers they're usually being put together by guys. The reasoning tends to be "we're top-tier, the girls we hang out with are top-tier."

And yes this does keep sororities from moving up some, but part of it is the girls' fault too. There are guys in the fraternity who would like to do stuff with them as they improve, but they keep agreeing to do stuff with the same lower tier houses they've always hung out with and say a high second-tier house makes themselves look bad if they have a social with a sorority who had a lot of their other events with much worse houses.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Well, when you see these tiers they're usually being put together by guys. The reasoning tends to be "we're top-tier, the girls we hang out with are top-tier."

And yes this does keep sororities from moving up some, but part of it is the girls' fault too. There are guys in the fraternity who would like to do stuff with them as they improve, but they keep agreeing to do stuff with the same lower tier houses they've always hung out with and say a high second-tier house makes themselves look bad if they have a social with a sorority who had a lot of their other events with much worse houses.

Probably true, but man, it seems lame. Very middle school popularity thinking.