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				i wonder how many black voters are voting for obama because he's black? 
			
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 A lot and there are nonblacks who are voting for Obama because he's black.  
 
That's why it isn't ridiculous to hypothesize that a lot of nonblacks AREN'T voting for Obama because he's black.     
We can look at campaign tactics and many apolitical jabs and see how race has been played.  Unlike in years past, there have been nonwhite and nonmale candidates who seriously had a run for the White House.  In the past, there were apolitical things like Catholicism to play on when that is what made a candidate stick out.
 
To save some folks some typing: 
This doesn't mean that all (or even a majority) blacks and nonblacks are voting for Obama because he's black.  This doesn't mean that all (or even a majority) nonblacks who aren't voting for Obama aren't doing so because he's black.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
	
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				This doesn't mean that all (or even a majority) blacks and nonblacks are voting for Obama because he's black.  This doesn't mean that all (or even a majority) nonblacks who aren't voting for Obama aren't doing so because he's black. 
			
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 and even if they (browns, yellows, blacks, whites, reds, blues)were, it'd be their perogative.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				and both are completely ok. 
			
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 Of course, it's ok in a "we can't control people or change minds because they have the right to choose" kind of way.
 
But it isn't ok in a "let's understand patterns of human behavior and challenge the illusion of social progression" kind of way.  
 
I'm only concerned with the latter.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
	
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				and even if they (browns, yellows, blacks, whites, reds, blues)were, it'd be their perogative. 
			
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				But it isn't ok in a "let's understand patterns of human behavior and challenge the illusion of social progression" kind of way. 
			
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 when you use big words, my brain hurts
 
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				when you use big words, my brain hurts 
 
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				i do it because i wub u 
 
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 are u cheating on me again?
 
You are fired.
 
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				are u cheating on me again? 
 
 
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				All the bullisht aside, this has gotten the reacton that it's gotten (not by people in this thread) because: 
  
BASKETBALL = BLACK 
BASKETBALL = STREET 
BASKETBALL = NONELITE 
BASKETBALL = LOWER CLASS 
blahzey blah 
  
The Repubs and nonRepubs who have made this into a silly "issue" are using these images because of the threat of a black man, who is a Democrat, possibly becoming POTUS. Politics is never just about politics. 
			
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You know, I just don't buy that this is THAT much more than just basketball. Sure, it's a great sound bite. Yes, Obama is (how do I say this) part black. But does that make this all about race?
  
At least half the guys I know, white/black/whatever, teenager or father of four, suburb or city dwellers - they are playing basketball in their driveways, in pickup games on the school courts, or even in evening basketball leagues. Three out of my five nieces and nephews (ages 8, 9, 13) play basketball, with two older ones on two teams each.
  
I stand by my statement that the game is an equalizer. You can play with minimal skill (and lose, but still play), with two people or ten, as long as you have something round to throw the ball into. I think that this should be taken just as it is - some guy saying that it would be cool to have a bball court at "home".
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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				You know, I just don't buy that this is THAT much more than just basketball. Sure, it's a great sound bite. Yes, Obama is (how do I say this) part black. But does that make this all about race? 
  
At least half the guys I know, white/black/whatever, teenager or father of four, suburb or city dwellers - they are playing basketball in their driveways, in pickup games on the school courts, or even in evening basketball leagues. Three out of my five nieces and nephews (ages 8, 9, 13) play basketball, with two older ones on two teams each. 
  
I stand by my statement that the game is an equalizer. You can play with minimal skill (and lose, but still play), with two people or ten, as long as you have something round to throw the ball into. I think that this should be taken just as it is - some guy saying that it would be cool to have a bball court at "home". 
			
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				Yes, Obama is black. 
			
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