Michelle Obama rumor- October surprise

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Agree.

By whatever means necessary? To a certain degree, yeah. If it turns you off, you're going to be turned off this cycle, by both sides.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

By whatever means necessary? To a certain degree, yeah. If it turns you off, you're going to be turned off this cycle, by both sides.

Yup. Just like last time.

Granted, there's a lot at stake here. That's why I would be a lot happier if both sides would present honest and respectful campaigns.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Yup. Just like last time.

Granted, there's a lot at stake here. That's why I would be a lot happier if both sides would present honest and respectful campaigns.

And actually, it seems that the candidates themselves are going to be eager to pretend that they are.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I am usually a fan of clean elections, but I think mudslinging is necessary this year. Obama will not stray far from his tested remarks, because his true colors are too extreme for general consumption. So we'll say it for him.

I think too much is at stake in this election to worry about playing clean. Maybe I'll feel bad about it later, but that's another discussion.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I don't feel like I want to see a really dirty campaign, but I think I understand some of what Shinerbock is saying.

If Obama is permitted to stay within the range of platitude, pre-written speeches, and basically scripted interactions with the press and public, he might carry the day on charisma.

But, if you suspect as Shinerbock does, that Obama at heart is a much more far left figure that the public presently realizes, then you see a need for the truth to come out.

I may be misunderstanding him, but I don't think he mean sullying Obama with anything other than his own past and the past of his close associates or even the fringiness of some of his supporters.

And, I think that studies have been done that demonstrate as much as we all like to say we hate negative campaigning, it actually is very effective in swaying a lot of the electorate.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You're right, but you give me a little too much credit. Though I'd be personally conflicted about using arguably baseless attacks on Obama, if it kept him from getting the presidency, I'm not sure I could oppose such things this year. I sincerely believe this election cycle is that important.

IMVHO/POV, having seen 30-40 debates already, I just do not see anyone in the professional mass media letting either one of the candidates stay to their "preferred" statements.

And in an open, honest, above board campaign, it would be rather difficult to stay there. Remember, we have only seen intra-conflicts, not the inter-conflicts between the two parties and their candidates.

So, perhaps we all will find out:
Just where on the Left one is.
Just where on the Right the other is.

Just what both their pasts are and just who they are affiliated with and close too.

If you are going to point out one for what ever matter or issue, you should remember that the same goes for the other.

And I still can not see any reason to fling mud.

[UGAalum94]

Yeah, Jon, but it seems like McCain has been through that wringer a time or two before, and while I suppose his past could surprise younger voters, I don't think there's really much there that's unexplored. And he's got a pretty long record in office which is out there in the open.

On the other hand, what do we really know about Obama or what he's likely to really do?

And I think the mainstream media really likes him and aren't going to do too much digging or slinging, and yet we could probably have a countdown to the story about the Keating Five in the NYT, kind of a follow-up on McCain's "lack of ethics" demonstrated with the non-story about his affair they ran during the primary.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by jon1856

IMVHO/POV, having seen 30-40 debates already, I just do not see anyone in the professional mass media letting either one of the candidates stay to their "preferred" statements.

And in an open, honest, above board campaign, it would be rather difficult to stay there. Remember, we have only seen intra-conflicts, not the inter-conflicts between the two parties and their candidates.

So, perhaps we all will find out:
Just where on the Left one is.
Just where on the Right the other is.

Just what both their pasts are and just who they are affiliated with and close too.

If you are going to point out one for what ever matter or issue, you should remember that the same goes for the other.

And I still can not see any reason to fling mud.

Depends on what you define as flinging mud. Some in the MSM and on the left are going to say McCain is engaging in racist mudslinging anytime he mentions Barack's associations. I think such things are legitimate subjects for discussion.