Michelle Obama rumor- October surprise

[shinerbock]

Those links posted by Jon may be entirely accurate, but I got a kick out of the person who "debunked" the theory by going to Rainbow Push.

Blogger: "Do you have a tape of Michelle Obama railing against whites?"

Rainbow Push: "Sure, here's the tape you're talking about. The one that will destroy our ideological allies and hand the election to a party we openly hate, that's the one you're looking for, right?"

[DeltAlum]

The cool thing about blogs is that anybody can post pretty much anything without any kind of support.

And rational people actually believe them.

I'd rather be a little more honest.

See signature below.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Those links posted by Jon may be entirely accurate, but I got a kick out of the person who "debunked" the theory by going to Rainbow Push.

Blogger: "Do you have a tape of Michelle Obama railing against whites?"

Rainbow Push: "Sure, here's the tape you're talking about. The one that will destroy our ideological allies and hand the election to a party we openly hate, that's the one you're looking for, right?"

Shinerbock-Not sure if you read the entire posting of/for that link.
For it goes well beyond what you posted.
And I have yet to see anyone, including the original Blogger, debunk the debunkers.
And the people I spoke to a few weeks ago still say that it NEVER happened and thus NEVER existed.
And what say yours?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Shinerbock-Not sure if you read the entire posting of/for that link.
For it goes well beyond what you posted.
And I have yet to see anyone, including the original Blogger, debunk the debunkers.
And the people I spoke to a few weeks ago still say that it NEVER happened and thus NEVER existed.
And what say yours?

They're McCain and senior GOP people, and they're about half and half.

If this tape is real, I'm not sure how you would debunk the "debunkers." After all, the debunking bloggers are merely drawing inferences like everyone else (though they may be strong inferences).

My point was solely that Rainbow Push is not an organization which stays out of partisan politics, and thus they're biased just like everyone else.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

They're McCain and senior GOP people, and they're about half and half.

If this tape is real, I'm not sure how you would debunk the "debunkers." After all, the debunking bloggers are merely drawing inferences like everyone else (though they may be strong inferences).

My point was solely that Rainbow Push is not an organization which stays out of partisan politics, and thus they're biased just like everyone else.

"If this tape is real"-Shiinerbock, if it is real the best way to debunk the debunkers is to show it. And it has not shown up anywhere.
NO ONE, that I know, in three different "camps" believe it ever happened or existed.
But as I posted before, this is not the first time ever that people have said falsehoods about others just to have them out there to be "heard" and remembered. Very few will bother to follow-up to see what proof exists.
In some ways this is like what happened with USDS and the six Fraternities involved the the drug busts. Six were said to have been involved in the very first PR's.
SAE National had a press release within 48 hours showing that NO active Brothers or Pledges were involved. Yet it took school over two weeks to correct/update their information on SAE and two others. And I never saw correction in any of the mass media.

And, I fear and believe, that this is only the opening shot of what we all will see until November. And even Fox News said, just yesterday, that even with the two candidates saying that they will "play nice" that it still will be politics as what is now the norm.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by jon1856

"If this tape is real"-Shiinerbock, if it is real the best way to debunk the debunkers is to show it. And it has not shown up anywhere.
NO ONE, that I know, in three different "camps" believe it ever happened or existed.
But as I posted before, this is not the first time ever that people have said falsehoods about others just to have them out there to be "heard" and remembered. Very few will bother to follow-up to see what proof exists.
In some ways this is like what happened with USDS and the six Fraternities involved the the drug busts. Six were said to have been involved in the very first PR's.
SAE National had a press release within 48 hours showing that NO active Brothers or Pledges were involved. Yet it took school over two weeks to correct/update their information on SAE and two others. And I never saw correction in any of the mass media.

And, I fear and believe, that this is only the opening shot of what we all will see until November. And even Fox News said, just yesterday, that even with the two candidates saying that they will "play nice" that it still will be politics as what is now the norm.

A) I agree, it'll be a dirty election cycle. I'm actually looking forward to it.

B) You're right that the best way to prove the naysayers wrong would be to prove it, but consider the reality here. If it is real, and if some political entity has it, what benefit would they gain from showing it now? They could simply wait for the hype to blow over, allow people to conclude that it was fake, and spring it at an inopportune time (which is what my people have said: That if real, it is being held).

C) What I heard weeks ago when it broke was that about half the contacts I know believe, for whatever reason, it was real, and about half didn't. If real, I highly doubt that many have first hand knowledge, as I'm positive the McCain campaign doesn't have it (though they would certainly be able to exercise some persuasion over usage) and the GOP proper doesn't have it.

D) There will be more stuff like this. I think so because I strongly believe there is stuff "like" this out there (Obama has been pitched softballs, true vetting will continue in coming months) and because the GOP is far superior than the left when it comes to pure political strategy. Further, as we agree, it will be dirty and I expect these types of rumors to continue, on both sides, throughout the cycle.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

A) I agree, it'll be a dirty election cycle. I'm actually looking forward to it.

B) You're right that the best way to prove the naysayers wrong would be to prove it, but consider the reality here. If it is real, and if some political entity has it, what benefit would they gain from showing it now? They could simply wait for the hype to blow over, allow people to conclude that it was fake, and spring it at an inopportune time (which is what my people have said: That if real, it is being held).

C) What I heard weeks ago when it broke was that about half the contacts I know believe, for whatever reason, it was real, and about half didn't. If real, I highly doubt that many have first hand knowledge, as I'm positive the McCain campaign doesn't have it (though they would certainly be able to exercise some persuasion over usage) and the GOP proper doesn't have it.

D) There will be more stuff like this. I think so because I strongly believe there is stuff "like" this out there (Obama has been pitched softballs, true vetting will continue in coming months) and because the GOP is far superior than the left when it comes to pure political strategy. Further, as we agree, it will be dirty and I expect these types of rumors to continue, on both sides, throughout the cycle.

Yes-it will be as dirty, if not even more so, than any other. However, unlike what you posted, I am not forward to it at all. For I do not believe it is needed in any way shape or form.
And I missed posting something I was told: While not happy that event never took place, thus no tape, they were rather happy that "story" was out and being talked about. And whether or not the people talking about it believed in it or not, just being out there just made them happy.

And this year, the GOP is going to have a major problem on their hand if mud is a major or significant component of their political strategy. Or their supporters-I.E. "Swift Boaters".

So lets full up the bath tubs, get the showers running. And stock up on soap and laundry detergent.

[UGAalum94]

I don't know. Do you really think the video will make any difference? Anyone who was likely to be put off would be put off already and anyone who wants to vote for him will excuse it. I don't really see a bunch of people who will be surprised and swayed if it turns out that Mrs. Obama has made seemingly radical, racially motivated commentary in her day.

Go back to the senior thesis. Would it really shock you to know that her commentary about race in America didn't end there?

Plus, I think it will have a short media life span in the mainstream press and only be replayed on FOX and right-wing blogs, which aren't really aimed at folks like to be Obama voters anyway.

This video if it was going to do damage would have delivered the most damage when it could have helped Clinton get the nomination. I don't think it's like to drive anyone out of the Obama camp into the arms of McCain, Barr, McKinney or anyone else who might end up on the general election ballot.