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[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

But for me this suggest that maybe we should approach the issue assuming that all pregnancies are "babies" rather than that the mom's feelings somehow actually changes the reality.

Although it's easier to go with a let each-judge-on-her-own stance, it doesn't actually work that way. Either the fetuses/babies are people who at some point in pregnancy should be invested with legal rights or they aren't. Other circumstances should no more play in than they would if we were talking about newborns or tumors, depending or how you view the products of conception.

For me, the idea thing would be to have a developmental line beyond which the life of the fetus/baby is protected and only when the same standard of self-defense is met as we'd use outside the womb, can the mom terminate the pregnancy past that point. Up until that point, the mother could do whatever she wanted.

Ok, well I can't argue what it suggests to you, because that's your perception and opinion. To your second point, no, they shouldn't be invested with legal rights, I can just see the 1-800-lawyer ads for that now, and your statement about "other circumstances" is only your opinion based on your own experience. And to your last point, isn't that somewhat along the lines of what is in place in most circumstances now?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Ok, well I can't argue what it suggests to you, because that's your perception and opinion. To your second point, no, they shouldn't be invested with legal rights, I can just see the 1-800-lawyer ads for that now, and your statement about "other circumstances" is only your opinion based on your own experience. And to your last point, isn't that somewhat along the lines of what is in place in most circumstances now?

Well, with legal rights I really had only the right not to be killed in mind, but it seems that a lot of states are already working pretty hard to punish women who engage in behavior likely to harm a fetus during pregnancy already.

And with the third, nope, not a bit. I think in many states, especially in actual practice rather than just what the law says, a woman has wide latitude all the way through, particularly if she isn't using publicly subsidized clinics. Even partial birth bans are about method rather than termination.