California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Meaning never in the history of institutionalized American marriage. I could care less what the rest of the world does or has done.

If we didn't reconsider things that had "never in the history of institutionalized American [fill in the blank]" been done, our constitution would still read:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

(And, I'm not equating gay marriage with civil rights any more than to show a correlation in terms of the concepts.)

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

If we didn't reconsider things that had "never in the history of institutionalized American [fill in the blank]" been done, our constitution would still read:



(And, I'm not equating gay marriage with civil rights any more than to show a correlation in terms of the concepts.)

This argument could be used to reconsider anything. Like capitalism. Like freedom of religion. As you well know, this country has been "considering" gay marriage for quite some time now.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

This argument could be used to reconsider anything. Like capitalism. Like freedom of religion. As you well know, this country has been "considering" gay marriage for quite some time now.

Capitalism and freedom of religion are core components of the American way of life that cannot be changed by individual states. Would you honestly consider marriage, gay or otherwise, to be among those core components?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Capitalism and freedom of religion are core components of the American way of life that cannot be changed by individual states. Would you honestly consider marriage, gay or otherwise, to be among those core components?

Fine, use narrower examples. Use anything you like. Also, I'm not in favor of a national gay marriage ban. I think the states should be allowed to do what they want, so long as the FFCC doesn't force them to bow to more "progressive" states.

However, the argument you used, which basically equates to "well, in the past we've changed some things, and that worked," simply doesn't mean gay marriage is something this country should adopt. Perhaps it means we should be willing to consider change, but I think it would be very difficult to argue that Americans have yet to consider the prospect of gay marriage.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Capitalism and freedom of religion are core components of the American way of life that cannot be changed by individual states. Would you honestly consider marriage, gay or otherwise, to be among those core components?

Yes, if you add 'family values' to the American way of life.