Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

Rev Wright is SO on point with what he says, IMO.

If Obama does not win the nomination, this will be used as the EXCUSE. I told ya'll don't forget whose world it is. Regardless of Wright, if THEY want Obama IN, he will get IN...with or without the so called grandstanding!

I must say that I agree that Wright is on point with some of the things he says (a lot of what he says to be truthful), but as a mentor and a leader and a man of God he should understand that there is a time and a place for everything. He should also be aware that what he says and does not only reflects on him, but on Obama and all black people for that matter. I really regret that some black people still forget that when they open their mouthes and when they act out they do not only rep themselves they rep everything associated with them. Rev. Wright knows the effects of what he said and how the media portrayed him. I've corresponded with him and he has said how it has weighed on him. So my thing is if you know your actions could cause Obama to lose support then shut up for the time being. After he's president then run your mouth. Im cool with people taking advantage of opportunity. Im against it when it is to the detriment of others. There have been plenty of times when groups or individuals could have spoken out and felt a need to speak out but decided not to because it was in the best interest of those that they support to remain a quiet dissenter.

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

if THEY want Obama IN, he will get IN

You havent spoken anything but the truth, but I have to say that they want him now, but the more Wright says the less some of Them want him. In my opinion they should never be given a reson to doubt Obama and wright seems to be giving them plenty.

[Ten/Four]

I'm fine with the compromise. Once again Hillary is just trying to keep her name in the news. How are they going to be mad about Michigan when she was the only name on the ballot?

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by Ten/Four

I'm fine with the compromise. Once again Hillary is just trying to keep her name in the news. How are they going to be mad about Michigan when she was the only name on the ballot?

HRC is playing a politically detrimental game long term at this point. Politicians do each other like this all the time. "No permanent allies, only permanent interests" as the saying goes. They'll make up and move on to the next political fight.

Out in the country however, where constituencies tend to focus in only periodically, IMO she's done longterm damage to the "Clinton" brand name vis-a-vis Black America. People can respect, and at one time applaud, her campaign and how she waged it, but she's had no endgame for a quite a while now.

Going forward, I think HRC's future ability to attract AfAm votes (nationally) is pretty much nil at this point.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

I'm a Floridian. I saw what happened in the 2000 election and I'm disgusted and saddened that Hillary supporters would compare 2000 to the Democratic primaries in FL & MI. I voted on Jan. 29 knowing my vote wouldn't count & at the time I was an Edwards supporter so I voted for Edwards.

I watched the Democratic Rules & Bylaws Committe & frankly Ickes can go to hell...and those so-called Democratic Floridians who booed & shouted "Denver, Denver" as our elected officials begged & pleaded with them to see reason and understand that comprimise, by defintion, cannot satisfy all parties completely can go right along with him. They should be happy we got anything back at all.

I am now convinced we will lose in November. I've talked personally to Hillary supporters & watched the circus of Hillary supporters on Saturday & most tell me they will not vote for Obama in November & will either vote for McCain or stay home. Welcome to another 4 years of Republican Rule!!! I'm going to try some new investments this year so I'll have enough money to pay for gas next year...

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

I am now convinced we will lose in November. I've talked personally to Hillary supporters & watched the circus of Hillary supporters on Saturday & most tell me they will not vote for Obama in November & will either vote for McCain or stay home. Welcome to another 4 years of Republican Rule!!! I'm going to try some new investments this year so I'll have enough money to pay for gas next year...

MsFoxyLoxy77, based on the Hillary supporters that you talked with what are they so angry about? I am seriously trying to understand the ones who feel the election was "stolen" from them. I understand the concern about Michigan, but I could not see a fair way to resolve that, but what did they think would be fair in FL? Do people who say they are not 1/2 vote and therefor they are voting Repub understand that the Repubs did the exact same thing, only difference is the Repubs did not agree not to campaign in FL.

I am seriously confused. I understand wanting the best for your candidate, but I cannot see how you would not accept the compromise.

[TonyB06]

*Eclipse, is that you? ....is that really, really you?

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

*Eclipse, is that you? ....is that really, really you?

LOL I know, I know! back from the dead and all of that. LOL

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

MsFoxyLoxy77, based on the Hillary supporters that you talked with what are they so angry about? I am seriously trying to understand the ones who feel the election was "stolen" from them.

One man informed me that, "Barack Obama had evil in his heart (how he can read people's heart I'll never know), was inexperienced, and was hiding his true intent for this country with fancy rhetoric." He also said that he was offended Barack was going around calling himself African-American when he is really bi-racial.

Another woman said, "the Clinton years were great & she just wants to go back to something she knows she can rely on..." She went on to say that if Obama took the nomination she would have to consider whether to vote for somebody else (read:McCain) or not at all.

I repeatedly asked, "Why, Why? They are so similar on the issues, why?" I received no clear answers, no legitimate response, just vague references to fancy speeches don't matter, no experience, I just don't like what he represents and so on...

My conclusion of the first guy is he has some kind of problem with race. Whether he wants to admit it or not I think he somehow felt Obama was benefiting from saying he was black & able to get more votes because he would be the quote on quote first black president.

I actually agreed with the second lady until she couldn't back up why she wouldn't vote for Obama if he won fairly.

So my overall conclusion is some Hillary supporters aren't seeing reason. In what world is McCain the best alternative to voting for Hillary

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

One man informed me that, "Barack Obama had evil in his heart (how he can read people's heart I'll never know), was inexperienced, and was hiding his true intent for this country with fancy rhetoric." He also said that he was offended Barack was going around calling himself African-American when he is really bi-racial.

Another woman said, "the Clinton years were great & she just wants to go back to something she knows she can rely on..." She went on to say that if Obama took the nomination she would have to consider whether to vote for somebody else (read:McCain) or not at all.

I repeatedly asked, "Why, Why? They are so similar on this issues, why?" I received no clear answers, no legitimate response, just vague references to fancy speeches don't matter, no experience, I just don't like what he represents and so on...

My conclusion of the first guy is he has some kind of problem with race. Whether he wants to admit it or not I think he somehow felt Obama was benefiting from saying he was black & able to get more votes because he is would be the quote on quote first black president.

I actually agreed with the second lady until she couldn't back up why she wouldn't vote for Obama if he won fairly.

So my overall conclusion is some Hillary supporters aren't seeing reason. In what world is McCain the best alternative to voting for Hillary

The only people who can see McSame as an alternative to Hillary are right wing Republicans...Real Democrats and Independents see Obama as the best equipped to change the direction of the country and move it in the right direction.



43 Delegates to go!

[Eclipse]

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

I repeatedly asked, "Why, Why? They are so similar on the issues, why?" I received no clear answers, no legitimate response, just vague references to fancy speeches don't matter, no experience, I just don't like what he represents and so on...

My conclusion of the first guy is he has some kind of problem with race. Whether he wants to admit it or not I think he somehow felt Obama was benefiting from saying he was black & able to get more votes because he would be the quote on quote first black president.

I actually agreed with the second lady until she couldn't back up why she wouldn't vote for Obama if he won fairly.

So my overall conclusion is some Hillary supporters aren't seeing reason. In what world is McCain the best alternative to voting for Hillary

Interesting to say the least...
I totally understand the argument of No experience, not enough experience, not the right experience, I don't agree with his policies, etc. Even if you say I don't trust him/her at least give me some examples of why.

But ultimately I understant that most people make these type of decisions on feelings, gut instinct and who they feel is most "like them" or, to borrow a phrase from Bill "feels their pain".

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

HRC is playing a politically detrimental game long term at this point. Politicians do each other like this all the time. "No permanent allies, only permanent interests" as the saying goes. They'll make up and move on to the next political fight.

Out in the country however, where constituencies tend to focus in only periodically, IMO she's done longterm damage to the "Clinton" brand name vis-a-vis Black America. People can respect, and at one time applaud, her campaign and how she waged it, but she's had no endgame for a quite a while now.

Going forward, I think HRC's future ability to attract AfAm votes (nationally) is pretty much nil at this point.

I agree. CNN is reporting that most of the uncommitted Senate superdelegates will throw their support to Obama. And Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid are also asking all uncommitted superdelegates to make their decision known by the end of this week.