California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[nate2512]

Doogur, just leave, I must say that some of the points that people pro-gay on this board have brought up are legitimate, but yours are not. You are bending what people are saying to fit your own frame of mind when it is not the case. You are picking parts of the bible that fit your agenda and throwing out the rest, and then accusing us of it.. You can't do that. You say that my points are illogical but yours aren't? You might be served well contributing to this website than arguing things that are completely irrational, then people might respect you enough to take your comments seriously.

[doogur]

Originally Posted by nate2512

Doogur, just leave, I must say that some of the points that people pro-gay on this board have brought up are legitimate, but yours are not. You are bending what people are saying to fit your own frame of mind when it is not the case. You are picking parts of the bible that fit your agenda and throwing out the rest, and then accusing us of it.. You can't do that. You say that my points are illogical but yours aren't? You might be served well contributing to this website than arguing things that are completely irrational, then people might respect you enough to take your comments seriously.

I'm not the one who was Bible quoting, YOU started it. So...go to Leviticus and go through EACH rule and tell us how you follow those rules.

You live by leviticus, nate you die by leviticus.

Now start...

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by doogur

I'm not the one who was Bible quoting, YOU started it. So...go to Leviticus and go through EACH rule and tell us how you follow those rules.

You live by leviticus, nate you die by leviticus.

Now start...

You said start quoting leviticus, therefore, I did. Then YOU chose to live and die by leviticus, I brought up very valid points about the new testament, but as expected YOU IGNORED them because you are an ignorant person who is only interested in your side of the story, instead of recognizing credible statements by the opposing side. If you want to counter what I'm saying please take into account everything I'm saying instead of taking things out of context to fit your own agenda.

ETA: The fact I had to tell you where to go to read what I was saying proves that you don't seem to be keeping up with conversation.

[doogur]

Originally Posted by nate2512

You said start quoting leviticus, therefore, I did. Then YOU chose to live and die by leviticus, I brought up very valid points about the new testament, but as expected YOU IGNORED them because you are an ignorant person who is only interested in your side of the story, instead of recognizing credible statements by the opposing side. If you want to counter what I'm saying please take into account everything I'm saying instead of taking things out of context to fit your own agenda.

I responded that Jesus had nothing to say about the topic. He didn't. Though in Matthew he unfavorably compared Jerusalem's sin of inhospitality to that of Sodom.

The reality is that you quoted the old testament but choose to ignore literally hundreds of rules but spout off about a few that pique your interest.

Don't be quoting old testament and telling millions of people how to live if you can't live by the words yourself. You can't. Say you do and I'll start with more Leviticus and move to other parts of the Bible.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by doogur

I responded that Jesus had nothing to say about the topic. He didn't. Though in Matthew he unfavorably compared Jerusalem's sin of inhospitality to that of Sodom.

The reality is that you quoted the old testament but choose to ignore literally hundreds of rules but spout off about a few that pique your interest.

Don't be quoting old testament and telling millions of people how to live if you can't live by the words yourself. You can't. Say you do and I'll start with more Leviticus and move to other parts of the Bible.

1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy both have quotes about homosexuality. See there, I can use the whole bible.

Leviticus also says that you shouldn't have sexual relations with an animal, but is that too, outdated and shouldn't be followed? Should we be allowed to have sexual relations with animals?

As I said the new testament, implemented a new law that amended the old testament, but this did not get rid of ALL those old customs but only certain ones. The fact homosexuality is denounced twice proves this.

[doogur]

Originally Posted by nate2512

1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy both have quotes about homosexuality. See there, I can use the whole bible.

Leviticus also says that you shouldn't have sexual relations with an animal, but is that too, outdated and shouldn't be followed? Should we be allowed to have sexual relations with animals?

As I said the new testament, implemented a new law that amended the old testament, but this did not get rid of ALL those old customs but only certain ones. The fact homosexuality is denounced twice proves this.

There you go...equating sex between two consenting, loving adults with bestiality. Hmmm....

But on that point, at least it appears you see that those rules are evaluated in context and not merely because "the Bible says so." Maybe this is progress. Showin' a little flexibility there...awesome.

Ok, tomorrow we'll talk about the New Testament - there's a lot less to cover there in terms of actual quotes - but the discussion can be more complicated. But at least we made it to that point and that's a good sign.

In the meantime, I have some nasty accounting homework to do.

[preciousjeni]

You seem to be expecting the Bible to read as if it were written for us, doogur. It wasn't - although most Christians today read it as if it applied to us directly. The New Testament doesn't deal with homosexuality explicity because it wasn't an issue that was publicly discussed during that period of Jewish history. It was clumped into all sexual misconduct, including pre-marital sex.

Your argument has nothing to do with why gay marriage should or shouldn't be legalized and the way you are intentionally misusing biblical text isn't doing anything for your case.