Why do LGLO/MCGLOs follow NPHC practices?

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I just wanted to add my 2 cents....

- YES, people WILL compare your newer orgs with the older ones, especially when most, if not all, your traditions are "borrowed" from the NPHC.

- And no, the IFC doesn't have "line names." They're called nicknames or pledge names, depending on what region you're from. And they have been around for a while now, not the past few years or the past decade.

- How exactly are you all doing "your own thing" if, as far as customs and traditions go, you're not bringing anything new to the table?

I think you should tread a tad bit more lightly.
1) It has been evidenced in previous threads that your general MCGLO and LGLO knowledge are limited to your campus (which btw based on what you have posted previously does not reflect said organizations nationally)

2) to equate the traditions that you see (or choose to see) as being the only traditions that said organizations have is a very limited scope. I suggest you take the time to learn more about non-NIC organizations before you start making blanket statements like those above.

[33girl]

He is right about the fact that NIC groups and NPC groups have pledge class names and nicknames. They are not "line names" as those groups don't have "lines."

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

He is right about the fact that NIC groups and NPC groups have pledge class names and nicknames. They are not "line names" as those groups don't have "lines."

They may not have lines, but some people refer to them as such.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

They may not have lines, but some people refer to them as such.

who?????

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

I think you should tread a tad bit more lightly.
1) It has been evidenced in previous threads that your general MCGLO and LGLO knowledge are limited to your campus (which btw based on what you have posted previously does not reflect said organizations nationally)

2) to equate the traditions that you see (or choose to see) as being the only traditions that said organizations have is a very limited scope. I suggest you take the time to learn more about non-NIC organizations before you start making blanket statements like those above.

No, my "general MCGLO and LGLO knowledge" is not limited to my campus, seeing as how there are barely any on my campus. Meaning.. If all I knew about these orgs were from what I saw on my campus, I wouldn't know as much as I know.

As far as the traditions that EVERYONE sees, they are not new. I'm not referring to the purpose, mission, niche, etc of your organizations.

I'm talking about what you see EXTERNALLY such as hand signs, calls, stepping, lines, line names, having "aces, deuces, tails" etc, probate/coming out shows, underground pledging, etc.

None of that is new or was introduced into Greekdom by Multicultural/Latin/Asian/Southeast-Asian/etc GLOs. That is all I meant. Do you disagree?

Additionally, when did I ever say that those traditions were the ONLY ones that your orgs have? Never.

And my questions were being asked to the poster that I quoted, but if you all have anything to interject with then by all means do so.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

underground pledging

Maybe not....

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Maybe not....

I'm not saying that all MCGLOs have underground pledging. But if they were to have it, we all know they didn't get that idea from the NIC/NPC orgs.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I'm not saying that all MCGLOs have underground pledging. But if they were to have it, we all know they didn't get that idea from the NIC/NPC orgs.

How would we really know if it's "underground," though?

Here's a little secret: Long ago in a far away land, there were non-NPHC fraternities and sororities (including IFC fraternities) that wanted to "cross-pledge" with NPHC sororities and fraternities.

Everywhere this has occurred, who knows, but one account states that the NPHCers who arrived found the IFC fraternity, for example, to be doing some similar things that the NPHCers do. Not the same but similar...one's imagination should kick in here.

So...aside from traditions that are allowed "above ground," it is difficult to say what people are doing behind closed doors (which has been said in this thread, too) unless people are talking too darn much. And that happens sometimes, of course.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

How would we really know if it's "underground," though?

Here's a little secret: Long ago in a far away land, there were non-NPHC fraternities and sororities (including IFC fraternities) that wanted to "cross-pledge" with NPHC sororities and fraternities.

Everywhere this has occurred, who knows, but one account states that the NPHCers who arrived found the IFC fraternity, for example, to be doing some similar things that the NPHCers do. Not the same but similar...one's imagination should kick in here.

So...aside from traditions that are allowed "above ground," it is difficult to say what people are doing behind closed doors (which has been said in this thread, too) unless people are talking too darn much. And that happens sometimes, of course.

I agree with you.

I think that our organizations may have more in common "behind closed doors" than we like to think. Which is why it bothers me when people assume that "white orgs" aren't "tough" because we don't "pledge" hard.

Either way, I was more referring to the fact that some cultural orgs make their pledges keep their pledgeship a secret, as opposed to NIC/NPC orgs.

And to Senusret I, there is no fundamental difference between a "line" and a "pledge class." Its just different terms.

But my point was that the fact that these cultural orgs use the terms that NPHC orgs use proves that they "borrow" a lot from the NPHC.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I think that our organizations may have more in common "behind closed doors" than we like to think. Which is why it bothers me when people assume that "white orgs" aren't "tough" because we don't "pledge" hard. I mean, how would anyone but my brothers and I know what happened in my pledging process?

Uh...well...okay....

I laughed.

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

Either way, I was more referring to the fact that some cultural orgs make their pledges keep their pledgeship a secret, as opposed to NIC/NPC orgs.

And to Senusret I, there is no fundamental difference between a "line" and a "pledge class." Its just different terms.

But my point was that the fact that these cultural orgs use the terms that NPHC orgs use proves that they "borrow" a lot from the NPHC.

Well, you were talking about "underground pledging." Although you will find NPHC, IFC, NIC/NPCers who speak openly about their "pledgeship" as it pertains to "underground pledging," this doesn't mean that NPHCers are told to keep it secret whereas NIC/NPCers are not told to do the same.

I agree that cultural orgs borrow a lot from the NPHC because many of them were founded during a time when activities were made more public and therefore more easily copied (without needing an NPHC "mentor" to assist in the building of traditions and practices). But I think there are certain aspects of "underground" that the NPHC perhaps can not (and should not because some of them aren't proud accomplishments) lay claim to that we've been given credit for.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I'm not saying that all MCGLOs have underground pledging. But if they were to have it, we all know they didn't get that idea from the NIC/NPC orgs.

Uhhh, I know at least two chapters of my fraternity who underground pledge.

[starang21]

having to line up doesn't mean you're on line.

:unsure:

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by starang21

having to line up doesn't mean you're on line.

:unsure:

It just means you're IN line.

And I agree with the person who said this thread is redundant.