Penn State Alums Urging Changes to Dry Policy (Phi Delta Theta)

[texas*princess]

I always thought ATO was also dry? Or maybe it was just at my campus?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

Phi Delt chapters that want to be wet should look a becoming a local like Virginia and Sewanee. You could also join another national.....

Wow. Did these chapters disaffiliate from Phi Delt just so that they could be wet? That seems odd to me

ETA: I'll ask this again since I never got an answer that last time I posted this question: If your chapter has a house, is there some sort of requirement for living in it?

[blueGBI]

I liked the Phi Delts when I was an undergrad. They were a middle of the pack house at PSU, the guys were cool, they nearly did everything with Theta Alpha Pi/Omega Phi Alpha. I'm sad to see what happened but given how things are at PSU, I'm not surprised. Its a drinking town with a football problem. Delta Sigma Phi had gotten in trouble for drinking in the 90s, went local (Delta Sigma) and then went back to being a national after getting trouble for hazing. What amazes me is that more fraternities DON'T get in trouble for alcohol violations...

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by blueGBI

Its a drinking town with a football problem.

L. O. L.!!!!!!! I love it!!

[blueGBI]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

L. O. L.!!!!!!! I love it!!

I had the T-shirt, no lie. that t-shirt and the 107,000 people at Beaver Stadium shirt. Man, I cannot wait to go back to PSU even though it probably won't be until Artsfest...

[IHeartUGA]

Originally Posted by modorney

Theta Chi (also at Penn State) is a dry national.

I've been in a few Theta Chi houses and they DEFINATELY weren't dry...

[Tex1899]

ETA: I'll ask this again since I never got an answer that last time I posted this question: If your chapter has a house, is there some sort of requirement for living in it?

This is generally a chapter/local issue, not a national issue. If a chapter has a house, and it doesn't look like a large single-family home, then there's probably a one year requirement to live in, unless you can find someone to take your spot. At some schools in the Big 10 and old Big 8 schools, you might have a two year live-in requirement, or a 2.5 year live-in requirement (which means you're there 3 years).

[GooniePDT49]

To ETA: The mandate was imposed on Phi Delta Theta in 1997 because of the abuse of alcohol at several of the chapters. Making chapter houses dry would save the fraternity in money and insurance issues (you know liabilities that result in lawsuits). Actually the Sigma Chi chapter was formed in 1855 because the Phi Delt Chapter at the Ohio Wesleyan would not allow the consumption of alcohol within the chapter.

[GooniePDT49]

Originally Posted by Tex1899

This is generally a chapter/local issue, not a national issue. If a chapter has a house, and it doesn't look like a large single-family home, then there's probably a one year requirement to live in, unless you can find someone to take your spot. At some schools in the Big 10 and old Big 8 schools, you might have a two year live-in requirement, or a 2.5 year live-in requirement (which means you're there 3 years).

Yeah I agree with that, but there's also zoning issues involved. Chapter houses are not allowed in New Britain CT. If a single family house were to convert to a frat house, the zoning for my town would change in regards to the house. Houses with more then 4 women (unrelated) are also considered bordellos (whorehouses) according to my town and are also banned....yeah its stupid.

[GooniePDT49]

Originally Posted by exlurker

The January 18 Penn State student paper has the story:

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...ainst_dry.aspx

Alumni of the (former) Phi Delt chapter at Penn State are reportedly planning to challenge the fraternity's national "dry" policy. The article indicates that they hope to be able to get a new set of national officers elected at the fraternity's next national convention. With new officers they hope to modify the current policy on alcohol.

You shouldnt have a problem with it. The federal law mandates 21 and over. What the hell do they think, that just because the fraternity is dry, that everyone else wont drink? Until the feds say they cant, people will drink. If chapter houses are to be dry its a decision the individual chapter should make. If the chapter house is not on school property, the decison should be left to either the school or the town not GHQ because their jurisdiction only lies on school property. If the house is privately owned then the decision should be that of the property owner.

[GooniePDT49]

Originally Posted by IHeartUGA

I've been in a few Theta Chi houses and they DEFINATELY weren't dry...

No house is every really dry. It would be pretty odd to be playing beer pong with nonalcoholic beverages. Dry campuses put on events for their students and (at least at my school), if the 21 yr olds have any common sense they'll have their own "events" somewhere else.

[nittanyalum]

OH MY GOD, dude, this thread's been dead since February and FOUR POSTS IN A ROW IN ONE THREAD IS NOT NECESSARY. Please learn the multiple quote function if you feel like you need to respond to every single poster individually.

[GooniePDT49]

Originally Posted by Tex1899

This is generally a chapter/local issue, not a national issue. If a chapter has a house, and it doesn't look like a large single-family home, then there's probably a one year requirement to live in, unless you can find someone to take your spot. At some schools in the Big 10 and old Big 8 schools, you might have a two year live-in requirement, or a 2.5 year live-in requirement (which means you're there 3 years).

As I stated in an earlier comment, its zoning. My town has an ordinance where more then 4 women is a whorehouse, and so they invoked an "unrelated" rule where no more then 3 people who arent related can live in a single family house. This doesnt apply to apartments or condos. This is how the town gets away with not allowing chapter houses, although a state decision would overturn this. Not sure if anyone has ever challenged it.

[GooniePDT49]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

OH MY GOD, dude, this thread's been dead since February and FOUR POSTS IN A ROW IN ONE THREAD IS NOT NECESSARY. Please learn the multiple quote function if you feel like you need to respond to every single poster individually.

I know, but I'm a history major. I respond to everything and I read everything, unlike some people. Next stop ( in 09 ) Harvard University! BLAH!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by GooniePDT49

Houses with more then 4 women (unrelated) are also considered bordellos (whorehouses) according to my town and are also banned....yeah its stupid.

Originally Posted by GooniePDT49

My town has an ordinance where more then 4 women is a whorehouse

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