Hazing in Highschool OMG (lucky not Greeks)

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

OMG....where do these kids get these ideas? Where are the coaches?

What do you mean where? There is violence and sex everywhere we turn these days and these kids are seeing and experiencing way too much!

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

What do you mean where? There is violence and sex everywhere we turn these days and these kids are seeing and experiencing way too much!

I don't think that the answer is simply what kids are seeing (I presume you mean on TV.) Sodomizing another child is beyond the violence and sex on TV. That takes a lack of respect for human life and dignity that is usually well represented in people of all ages...even children.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I don't think that the answer is simply what kids are seeing (I presume you mean on TV.) Sodomizing another child is beyond the violence and sex on TV. That takes a lack of respect for human life and dignity that is usually well represented in people of all ages...even children.

No I don't mean just on T.V. Look at our society right now. Look at what's going on. There certainly is a lack of respect for human life and dignity, among more than just a few crazies, as we have thought of them in the past. We are seeing things happening among children today that we have never seen before. I'm not surprised by this article though it is very very sad. Perhaps you don't watch/listen to the news and are privileged to live in a fantasy world.

Obviously these kids saw/heard something or one or more kids in the bunch may have been sexually abused. Kids don't just come up with these ideas. They are influenced by what they see and hear, not just on T.V./radio but in their homes and communities. We certainly can't work as a society to change things if some of us don't even know what's going on.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

No I don't mean just on T.V. Look at our society right now. Look at what's going on. There certainly is a lack of respect for human life and dignity, among more than just a few crazies, as we have thought of them in the past. We are seeing things happening among children today that we have never seen before. I'm not surprised by this article though it is very very sad. Perhaps you don't watch/listen to the news and are privileged to live in a fantasy world.

Obviously these kids saw/heard something or one or more kids in the bunch may have been sexually abused. Kids don't just come up with these ideas. They are influenced by what they see and hear, not just on T.V./radio but in their homes and communities. We certainly can't work as a society to change things if some of us don't even know what's going on.

I completely agree.

I don't know whats worse- the fact that this happened, or the fact that it has come to the point where I'm not all that surprised.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

No I don't mean just on T.V. Look at our society right now. Look at what's going on. There certainly is a lack of respect for human life and dignity, among more than just a few crazies, as we have thought of them in the past. We are seeing things happening among children today that we have never seen before. I'm not surprised by this article though it is very very sad. Perhaps you don't watch/listen to the news and are privileged to live in a fantasy world.

Obviously these kids saw/heard something or one or more kids in the bunch may have been sexually abused. Kids don't just come up with these ideas. They are influenced by what they see and hear, not just on T.V./radio but in their homes and communities. We certainly can't work as a society to change things if some of us don't even know what's going on.

I certainly don't live in a fantasy world...I've seen my share of tragically abused children. Unfortunately, many of those stories are burned in my memory forever. However, I do not believe that there is more child abuse and child sexual abuse today than there was in the past. We just hear about it more on the news. If the priest sex scandal in the Catholic church is any example, this type of abuse has been widespread for decades but carefully swept under the rug. Simply attributing this kind of behavior to the "society" we live in is underestimating the problem. Yes...I wonder where these kids get this idea, the same as I wonder how NYC policemen got the idea to sodomize Amadou Diallo all those years ago. Maybe these children were abused at some point, but there needs to be some accountability beyond "I did it because I saw it on tv or down the street."

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I certainly don't live in a fantasy world...I've seen my share of tragically abused children. Unfortunately, many of those stories are burned in my memory forever. However, I do not believe that there is more child abuse and child sexual abuse today than there was in the past. We just hear about it more on the news. If the priest sex scandal in the Catholic church is any example, this type of abuse has been widespread for decades but carefully swept under the rug. Simply attributing this kind of behavior to the "society" we live in is underestimating the problem. Yes...I wonder where these kids get this idea, the same as I wonder how NYC policemen got the idea to sodomize Amadou Diallo all those years ago. Maybe these children were abused at some point, but there needs to be some accountability beyond "I did it because I saw it on tv or down the street."

You're one of those people that reads what they want to read and hears and sees what they want to hear and see. You totally missed my point and if you don't know that the violence in our society is getting worse and worse with each passing year, well then that's why things will stay exactly as they are. Because our society won't take accountability. At least some of us still value and understand that when it comes to creating the kind of culture, society, community, we want, it really does take a village.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

You're one of those people that reads what they want to read and hears and sees what they want to hear and see. You totally missed my point and if you don't know that the violence in our society is getting worse and worse with each passing year, well then that's why things will stay exactly as they are. Because our society won't take accountability. At least some of us still value and understand that when it comes to creating the kind of culture, society, community, we want, it really does take a village.

Wow...I'm not sure why you are attacking me. I actually do not believe that violence is any worse now than it ever was...there is PLENTY of evidence that the national media focuses so much on any violent act in any small town that we've come to think that violence is more prevalent today than in the past. The truth is, violence and crime go in cycles. Violence was more prevalent in NYC in the 80s and 90s. It's much less prominent this decade. Crime is up in Baltimore where I live. Gang related crime, which plagued north Louisiana throughout the 90s (California gangs followed I-20 over on drug routes and became the most numerous members of the death row crowd in short order) has significantly decreased. The nurses in our ICUs at LSU in Shreveport used to bar the doors to the unit when a gang member was admitted because gang members from rival gangs were trying to beat down the doors! Sexual abuse, child abuse have been rampant for years. From the perspective of someone with YEARS of experience in a level 1 Trauma center, this increase in violence is overblown. Things that have increased are the abuse of prescription drugs, the number of people sustaining severe burns while cooking crystal meth and motor vehicle crashes.

[couggirl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Maybe these children were abused at some point,

If there were ever a reason as to why these kids did this or how they got the idea to commit such horrible crimes then i think that this is the first reason that might explain why. Also, when asked where are the coaches i would think that maybe their might be some abuse by the coaches. Of course this is just my first reaction and i feel nothing but compassion and sympothy for the victims and also know that an answer may never been found because there are lots of things on TV, the internet and others things that I never say when I was growing up 10 to 15 years ago.

But this is just my 2 cents.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Maybe these children were abused at some point

That's why I said they need help because this isn't just another hazing incident.

[thatgirl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I certainly don't live in a fantasy world...I've seen my share of tragically abused children. Unfortunately, many of those stories are burned in my memory forever. However, I do not believe that there is more child abuse and child sexual abuse today than there was in the past. We just hear about it more on the news. If the priest sex scandal in the Catholic church is any example, this type of abuse has been widespread for decades but carefully swept under the rug. Simply attributing this kind of behavior to the "society" we live in is underestimating the problem. Yes...I wonder where these kids get this idea, the same as I wonder how NYC policemen got the idea to sodomize Amadou Diallo all those years ago. Maybe these children were abused at some point, but there needs to be some accountability beyond "I did it because I saw it on tv or down the street."

I agree with you. Long before we were seeing a great amount of sex or degredation on TV, there were those who were quietly being molested by priests, family members, or friends of the family. This isn't new. Just because we have more media outlets and instant communication tools (cable, Internet, e-mail), doesn't prove that this is happening more often. If we were going to have an educated debate here, someone can always feel free to bring introduce some data into the argument. And, quite frankly, at the ages of 13-15 these children would have already developed some semblance of sexual identity. Forceful sex acts are deviant indeed, but to say that they must've been brought on by prior acts is dubious. I, too, wonder if we can blame TV and society on what was done to Amadou Diallo.