NPC sororities and other national sororities

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Your error in thinking begins with assuming that NPC's unaninous agreements have anything to do with local chapters or Non-NPC national organizations. These agreements extend ONLY to NPC member organizations. The NPC's rules were established to protect its members not the numerous non-NPC groups out there. Like kddani said....if you want NPC protection, join the NPC! As for getting respect from Non-npc groups...I doubt NPC is overly concerned with your opinions.

Two flaws here, one, the NPC has requirements to join, requirements that are thwarted by NPC absorption of non-NPC chapters; two, the question is not whether the NPC as an organization or a group of organizations are concerned about the chapters opinions, but whether the NPC should be concerned.

Of course, I suspect the NPC isn't much concerned with my opinion either.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Two flaws here, one, the NPC has requirements to join, requirements that are thwarted by NPC absorption of non-NPC chapters; two, the question is not whether the NPC as an organization or a group of organizations are concerned about the chapters opinions, but whether the NPC should be concerned.

Of course, I suspect the NPC isn't much concerned with my opinion either.

I don't know what you mean by "thwarted." In the recent cases, the NPC agreements have been followed.

[texas*princess]

While I agree that the NPC resolutions were created to protect "their own", I don't think that it's right for NPCs to absorb chapters who are initated members of other non-NPC National sororities - whether they be all-women chapters of traditionally co-ed Nat'l service orgs (I think it was Senruset who said some all-female chapters of APO have been absorbed by NPCs), or other groups like that.

As naiive as this sounds, it's called the "Golden Rule". Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I can bet that if a non-NPC Nat'l sorority wanted to initiate a chapter of an NPC org, that NPC group would be pissed off about it just as a non-NPC Nat'l group would be if a NPC took away one of their chapters.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I don't know what you mean by "thwarted." In the recent cases, the NPC agreements have been followed.

Saying "well they should just join the NPC" doesn't work when there is a minimum chapter requirement to join the NPC and your chapters get absorbed by other orgs. The policy of allowing absorption is not one that encourages other orgs to join the NPC, it's more like dangling membership just out of reach, and yanking it away if you get close.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Saying "well they should just join the NPC" doesn't work when there is a minimum chapter requirement to join the NPC and your chapters get absorbed by other orgs. The policy of allowing absorption is not one that encourages other orgs to join the NPC, it's more like dangling membership just out of reach, and yanking it away if you get close.

I see your point, but the NPC didn't go to these chapters and ask them to jump ship from their national org. To help these non-NPC groups grow, we must turn down legitimate chapters seeking affiliation who have no intention of staying in the non-NPC group since they don't provide the services they promised? NPC organizations have not been aggressive in these situations so why should they have to apologize for a national not growing or succeeding? It sounds like KBG tried to expand too quickly and was not able to keep up. I doubt they are going to fold like a cheap suit just because one of their new chapters decided not to stay with them. From all of the posts by the one member BootyKBG, they are trying to reorganize. I wish them the best of luck. I think any of our groups can sympathize with chapters closing because they made poor choices or things didn't work out like they planned.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I see your point, but the NPC didn't go to these chapters and ask them to jump ship from their national org. To help these non-NPC groups grow, we must turn down legitimate chapters seeking affiliation who have no intention of staying in the non-NPC group since they don't provide the services they promised?

I think that part of the issue with the 2 KBG chapters that did this is that not only did they affiliate with an NPC, they closed their chapter. They could have disaffiliated as individuals, formed an interest group and found an NPC the same way - while keeping the KBG chapter open for any other individuals who might still want that choice, or for their national to come in and try to reorganize.

It's kind of like going through rush and saying "not only am I not going to put ABC on my pref card, I am going to find all the pref cards w/ ABC on them and erase them."

[DSTRen13]

There have been instances of an NPC chapter being suspended at a school, and interested girls bringing a non-NPC group to their school to join "in the meantime". (This happens with NPHC and certain groups as well.) Obviously, this is WRONG to do, but it's even more wrong when once the NPC group comes back and all the girls who really wanted to join that group bolt from the group they brought to campus and leave a handful of girls behind who joined the org for the right reasons. IMO, it would be completely inexcusable for those girls to shut down the chapter they created for their "in the meantime" group.

(I realize this is not the same as the two instances that you are discussing, I just wanted to throw it in as something that does happen.)

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

There have been instances of an NPC chapter being suspended at a school, and interested girls bringing a non-NPC group to their school to join "in the meantime". (This happens with NPHC and certain groups as well.) Obviously, this is WRONG to do, but it's even more wrong when once the NPC group comes back and all the girls who really wanted to join that group bolt from the group they brought to campus and leave a handful of girls behind who joined the org for the right reasons. IMO, it would be completely inexcusable for those girls to shut down the chapter they created for their "in the meantime" group.

(I realize this is not the same as the two instances that you are discussing, I just wanted to throw it in as something that does happen.)

There's a different between bringing in an existing group and creating a group that will serve as an interest group. The latter is perfectly acceptable. The former is sketchy.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I think that part of the issue with the 2 KBG chapters that did this is that not only did they affiliate with an NPC, they closed their chapter. They could have disaffiliated as individuals, formed an interest group and found an NPC the same way - while keeping the KBG chapter open for any other individuals who might still want that choice, or for their national to come in and try to reorganize.

It's kind of like going through rush and saying "not only am I not going to put ABC on my pref card, I am going to find all the pref cards w/ ABC on them and erase them."

You are assuming that any women were left in the chapter to keep it running. Nothing was really stopping KBG from going in and recruiting new members to keep the chapter open. Forming an interest group is simply a formality. In the end, the result would be the same. An interest group of former KBG members and no KBG chapter.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You are assuming that any women were left in the chapter to keep it running. Nothing was really stopping KBG from going in and recruiting new members to keep the chapter open.

Except the school.

Originally Posted by lucgreek

the girls went looking for a new association and i think around 8-9 sororities visited campus and met the girls and the girls ultimately decided to affiliate with KKG. luc greek life accepted this because nearly all of the girls voted to dissassociate themselves and all pledged to KKG. girls that did not want the switch simply did not join KKG and KBG was barred from recruiting new members by luc greek life.

Those girls that did not want the switch - and it's irrelevant if it was 10 or 1 - had their chapter taken away when it did not have to be.