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05-19-2008, 02:25 PM
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Whatever....
He's our POTUS. Period.
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05-19-2008, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Whatever....
He's our POTUS. Period.
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He's not my President. I look at him as a dictator, no better than Idi Amin, Fidel Castro, or Saddam Hussein.
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05-19-2008, 03:08 PM
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He's not my President. I look at him as a dictator, no better than Idi Amin, Fidel Castro, or Saddam Hussein.
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a dicktoter is what he is...
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05-19-2008, 03:14 PM
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a dicktoter is what he is...
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Well, look forward to more dicktoters in the future. The next dicktoter may be Obama, Clinton, or McCain. None of you know whether the next elected leader will fulfill promises or drop the ball.
So instead of putting all of this faith (and criticism, when isht hits the fan) in these leaders as if they are the end-all and be-all, citizens need to multitask: Exercise our right to vote and express opinions WHILE working toward change in our respective communities.
/there, I said it....
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05-19-2008, 03:15 PM
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Well, look forward to more dicktoters in the future. The next dicktoter may be Obama, Clinton, or McCain. None of you know whether the next elected leader will fulfill promises or drop the ball.
So instead of putting all of this faith (and criticism, when isht hits the fan) in these leaders as if they are the end-all and be-all, citizens need to multitask: Exercise our right to vote and express opinions WHILE working toward change in our respective communities.
/there, I said it....
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Hillary can't be...she let someone else tote hers....
if she can't be trusted to be her own dicktoter...then how can we trust her as POTUS?
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05-19-2008, 03:09 PM
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He's not my President.
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Yes, he is. You don't get to pick and choose which President is your President.
Americans who feel this way are silly in their own right. But they can keep that silliness to themselves without celebrating when other countries take jabs at our leaders (and at America, in general).
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05-19-2008, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Yes, he is. You don't get to pick and choose which President is your President.
Americans who feel this way are silly in their own right. But they can keep that silliness to themselves without celebrating when other countries take jabs at our leaders (and at America, in general).
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No, he isn't. He didn't get elected. Just as there were British who were still loyal to the crown while it was in exile, I do not recognize the legitimacy of this administration.
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05-19-2008, 03:15 PM
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No, he isn't.
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Yeah, he is.
And if you decide not to engage in this back-and-forth, please don't announce that you "agree to disagree." 
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05-19-2008, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS
Yes, he is. You don't get to pick and choose which President is your President.
Americans who feel this way are silly in their own right. But they can keep that silliness to themselves without celebrating when other countries take jabs at our leaders (and at America, in general).
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Agreed.
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05-19-2008, 05:34 PM
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Americans who feel this way are silly in their own right. But they can keep that silliness to themselves without celebrating when other countries take jabs at our leaders (and at America, in general).
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"Celebrating" is a bit strong here. I find that Americans, as a mob, are isolationists who continue to fancy themselves a "super power" and who wish to spread their idealistic (yet flawed) way of life on others. We're babies in the world and we have allies who continue to deal with us (France comes to mind) despite the childish way we snub them because, underneath it all, America means well and really isn't so bad.
There's nowhere I'd rather be. But, I also reserve the right to laugh at myself and my country when I/we do silly things, regardless of where the joke/jab comes from. I don't find it unpatriotic or dangerous in any way.
I continue to pay my taxes, vote and do all the things an American is expected to do, because I appreciate my way of life (e.g. the fact that I haven't been beheaded for my comments in this thread).
You've mentioned twice now that it is inappropriate to find humor in jokes made at the expense of our country's leader(s). I'm still not clear as to why you feel that way.
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05-19-2008, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by preciousjeni
You've mentioned twice now that it is inappropriate to find humor in jokes made at the expense of our country's leader(s). I'm still not clear as to why you feel that way.
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I think this has essentially been made clear in this thread, but here goes:
I said that we need to be careful in "celebrating" (whatever that means for you is up to you) when other countries find humor and use images of our leaders as bafoons. When it boils down to it, taking jabs at our leaders isn't far from taking a jab at America. Calling our leaders idiots is calling a representation of America, on foreign soil, an idiot.
I have my own sense of humor (usually twisted) and my own opinions of America and America's leaders. I keep that separate from my position on other countries using images of America and our leadership for their own amusement. They can do what they want, of course, but I won't think it's humorous. Just like many people in other countries don't find humor in the things being said of their countries and leaders by Americans.
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05-19-2008, 03:13 PM
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He's not my President. I look at him as a dictator, no better than Idi Amin, Fidel Castro, or Saddam Hussein.
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I know, I totally forgot about that time a member of my family spoke out against Bush and we found his head on a stick outside our home the next day.
But, thankfully in this country (unlike those ruled by the people you mentioned), we're allowed to say pretty much what we want about fellow citizens and leaders. For example, I consider you to be among the worst elements of American society.
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05-19-2008, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by shinerbock
I know, I totally forgot about that time a member of my family spoke out against Bush and we found his head on a stick outside our home the next day.
But, thankfully in this country (unlike those ruled by the people you mentioned), we're allowed to say pretty much what we want about fellow citizens and leaders. For example, I consider you to be among the worst elements of American society.
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Actually no, I spoke out against Jr. and I was put on the No Fly list and I had to get my lawyer to challenge it. As did several high ranking Democratic party officials, all for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they didn't like him. While he isn't overtly violent, Bush Jr. has and can use subversive tactics to pressure people to be quiet, discredit them...
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05-19-2008, 03:26 PM
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Actually no, I spoke out against Jr. and I was put on the No Fly list and I had to get my lawyer to challenge it. As did several high ranking Democratic party officials, all for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they didn't like him. While he isn't overtly violent, Bush Jr. has and can use subversive tactics to pressure people to be quiet, discredit them...
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05-19-2008, 03:29 PM
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Actually no, I spoke out against Jr. and I was put on the No Fly list and I had to get my lawyer to challenge it. As did several high ranking Democratic party officials, all for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they didn't like him. While he isn't overtly violent, Bush Jr. has and can use subversive tactics to pressure people to be quiet, discredit them...
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Your anecdotal evidence, while interesting, really holds no value without more information. However, like I noted, this is a country where you're free to say what you want about our leaders. Consider Bush however you like. Of course, we're free to call you stupid when you make blatantly ridiculous statements, as well.
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