Deserved Sentence?

[luv n tpa]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

If a woman DOES NOT SAY NO, then SHE WAS NOT RAPED.

Not saying no definitely doesn't mean no.

Only if she says no is it illegal.

Actually, at least in NJ, body language inferring no means no; it does not have to be verbal. This applies to any sexual victimization, not just rape.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by luv n tpa

Actually, at least in NJ, body language inferring no means no; it does not have to be verbal. This applies to any sexual victimization, not just rape.

Can you cite the law? It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I find it hard to discern body language as saying no clearly (minus the obvious fighting, like kicking or biting or punching, of course).

That kind of seems like a cop-out, by the way. Not on your part, but on the woman's part.

[luv n tpa]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

Can you cite the law? It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I find it hard to discern body language as saying no clearly (minus the obvious fighting, like kicking or biting or punching, of course).

That kind of seems like a cop-out, by the way. Not on your part, but on the woman's part.

I can't personally. I had a contemporary women's class this semester taught by a woman on our campus who runs the Women's Center, runs the confidential hotline on campus and also works with the county rape crisis hotline. She knows what there is to know.

Frottage, for example. A guy comes up behind a girl in a club and starts dancing with her in a way that has non-consensual sexual touching. If she pushes him away or moves away from him, this is seen as a no. It's taken into consideration as this atmosphere has loud music, and verbal conversation is not as clear as physical.

No can really be made clear if that's what you want to get across. I agree that just saying it can be simpler, but body language is still taken into account.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by luv n tpa

I can't personally. I had a contemporary women's class this semester taught by a woman on our campus who runs the Women's Center, runs the confidential hotline on campus and also works with the county rape crisis hotline. She knows what there is to know.

Frottage, for example. A guy comes up behind a girl in a club and starts dancing with her in a way that has non-consensual sexual touching. If she pushes him away or moves away from him, this is seen as a no. It's taken into consideration as this atmosphere has loud music, and verbal conversation is not as clear as physical.

No can really be made clear if that's what you want to get across. I agree that just saying it can be simpler, but body language is still taken into account.

Right. I would agree that that is a clear 'No'. But body language is not always clear...and it's one of the 'gray areas' that can be turned against an innocent person.