SEX

[Drolefille]

The bad science hurts my brain.

[AKA_Monet]

Too many comments to choose from: CG and KC you are both right.

Having published now 5 science articles using genetically modified mouse models, mice are used to correlated the evolutionary genetic relationships across all "representative" model organisms used in research.

Humans cannot be used for strict genetic research due to practical and ethical applications. However, with the advent of microarray, translation state arrays and other tests, it might be possible to organize some ontology and ontogeny for molecular pathways.

There is the area of Behavioral Genetics that is coming out with all this advent of technology. Disease states show different expression of millions of microRNAs and proteo/metabolomics profiles. Almost a predictive states that possibly wil be used for diagnosis at the earliest. However, this is 10 years down the line. Think the movie GATTACA after the "natural born" child was born and the rattling off of predictive diseases.

I have not read THAT much on pheromones in humans in the top tier science journals. Of course, I am not pubmeding that subject, that much anyways. Last I read, was that humans have too high of complex thought and socialization to really have the need to use pheromones. Of course, I guess these scientists never used aphrodisiacs or gotten pissy drunk that said these things? But, the folks at Pfizer with Viagra, and the others beg to differ on the pheromones in humans concept...

So the question remains, are the rules of attraction in humans controlled in part by genetics? Perhaps. However, we are socialized and learned as to how we attract individuals or attention to us. We use a variety of techniques. Are they different in humans from animals? Somewhat. I think in 1997 Science put an entire issue about that and how to study it.

How we understand human love connections takes several levels of study. Biology/genetics only gives us the starter materials and cannot answer this question completely. I do think technology in pharma might assist some people who feel they need it.

[PrettyBoy]

I don't know the whole science background as of what KSig and cheers were talking about. I think if I had to choose, I think KSig made more believable and realistic points of view. cheers, you're trying to compare animals and humans. To me they don't compare. Animals mate with multiple partners for survival. It's nature. Humans do it for pleasure. Any woman or man who have sex with multiple partners have some sort of dysfuntional problem. Men and women who have multiple partners like animals do, need psychological help. Human beings are not animals, nor should they think like animals.

cheers I agree with you when you said men are more visual. We are. SydneyK how is that a slap in the face? That's how men are made. Of course, women do struggle with sexual issues as men do, but the physical act of sex isn't an overwhelming temptation for women like it is for men. (Now I'm only speaking of decent women and men here. I'm not going to comment on the skanks) Men and women struggle in different ways when it comes to sexual integrity. While a man's battle begins with what he takes in through his eyes, a woman's begins with her heart and her thoughts. A man has to guard his eyes to maintain sexual integrity, but because women are made to be emotionally and mentally stimulated, she has to guard her heart and mind as well as her body. When it comes to sex women are dealing with it from both ends of the spectrum. For them it's both sexual and emotional.

While a man needs mental, emotional, and spiritual connection, his physical needs tend to be what stand out, and his other needs don't stand out as much. The reverse is true for women. If there's one particular need that drives women, it's by far their emotional needs. I believe men give love to get sex, and women give sex to get love. I'm not bashing anyone, it's just the way we are, and how we are made.

Another unique difference between men and women is that many men are capable of having sex with a woman without feeling the need to give their minds, or hearts where as women are unable to do this. Again I'm speaking of normal men and women, not the hoes, so don't get the two confused. A man can enjoy sex without committing his heart or bonding spiritually with the object of his physical desire. A woman's body, however, goes only to someone whom she thinks of night and day and with whom her heart and mind have already connected (unless there is dysfuntional or addictive behavior involved) When a woman gives her mind and her heart, her body is usually right behind. They both are intricately connected. Men are more aroused by what they see with their eyes. Women are more aroused by what they hear.

Again, I don't know about the science part of it, with the exception of the little bit of national geographic I've watched on t.v.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

cheers I agree with you when you said men are more visual. We are. SydneyK how is that a slap in the face? That's how men are made.

I never said men weren't visual. CG indicated that the one cause of sexual attraction for men is visually related. She then indicated that, for women, it's more complicated than that.

My point was simply that, even though men are indeed more visual than women, it's insulting to men to suggest that the only thing that makes a woman attractive to them is her looks. As if to say that women consider all kinds of things (attractiveness, communication skills, etc...) but men consider only one.

I agree that men are more visual than women, but I don't think that's all there is to it for men.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I never said men weren't visual. CG indicated that the one cause of sexual attraction for men is visually related. She then indicated that, for women, it's more complicated than that.

My point was simply that, even though men are indeed more visual than women, it's insulting to men to suggest that the only thing that makes a woman attractive to them is her looks. As if to say that women consider all kinds of things (attractiveness, communication skills, etc...) but men consider only one.

I agree that men are more visual than women, but I don't think that's all there is to it for men.

actually no...she didn't say that....it depends on the person...

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

It can be several causes, but then again it can be ONE cause. It depends on the person. Men are more visual than women. I wasn't slapping them in the face, it's the truth.

I'm not saying that this is at all accurate, I just wanted to see other opinions on the subject. That's all.

and the important part of that is 'CAN BE' not 'IS'.

Now, I agree with you too...and fellas let's face it, when we look at women, there is a whole lot we are looking at in one good look and that in part determines how or if we will appraoacher her...

Now...interestingly last night, in a show I was recording...someone asked me how I feel about women in provocative clothing...so..let me pass that question on to you all...doesx provocative dress 'provoke' us? How? Why?

Does it take away from men wanting to more about the woman mentally?

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

actually no...she didn't say that....it depends on the person...

Hmm... seems to me that her quote below suggests that men are strictly visual but women consider more than that.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I think for men it's visual, but for women it's for more reasons than that.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Hmm... seems to me that her quote below suggests that men are strictly visual but women consider more than that.

"I think for men....."

"I think..."

"think..."


Breaking that down...I would translate that her 'thinking' is leading her to a conclusion but because she is 'thinking' on it and not saying 'I know'...would give me reason to believe that she has yet to draw a conclusion being as...she is not a man and unqualified to speak as a man but the other portion is well qualified as she is a woman and can speak as a woman....you get it?


But then again...who knows...you may be in the minority that believe that men aren't visual creatures.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Now...interestingly last night, in a show I was recording...someone asked me how I feel about women in provocative clothing...so..let me pass that question on to you all...doesx provocative dress 'provoke' us? How? Why?

Does it take away from men wanting to more about the woman mentally?

I don't like it when women wear provocative clothing. That's not a decent woman to me. I think this is an attempt to attract men, and sometimes it attracts the wrong men. To me, a woman of sexual integrity doesn't dress to seek male attention, but she doesn't limit herself to a wardrobe of ankle length dresses either. She may dress fashionably and look sharp or may even appear sexy, but her motivation isn't self seeking or seductive. She presents herself as an attractive woman in a respectful way.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I never said men weren't visual. CG indicated that the one cause of sexual attraction for men is visually related. She then indicated that, for women, it's more complicated than that.

My point was simply that, even though men are indeed more visual than women, it's insulting to men to suggest that the only thing that makes a woman attractive to them is her looks. As if to say that women consider all kinds of things (attractiveness, communication skills, etc...) but men consider only one.

I agree that men are more visual than women, but I don't think that's all there is to it for men.

I said men are visual. I never said it was just one cause. Please show me where I said that. All I said was men are visual which they are, and that's o.k. And yes, for women, it is more complicated than that. I mean, it's like you were totally against what I said about men being visual, as if you didn't think so, but now you post that they are visual. It's almost like you just wanted to disagree with me just to be doing it.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I never said men weren't visual. CG indicated that the one cause of sexual attraction for men is visually related. She then indicated that, for women, it's more complicated than that.

My point was simply that, even though men are indeed more visual than women, it's insulting to men to suggest that the only thing that makes a woman attractive to them is her looks. As if to say that women consider all kinds of things (attractiveness, communication skills, etc...) but men consider only one.

I agree that men are more visual than women, but I don't think that's all there is to it for men.

Sydney, men are visual by nature. I don't think cheers meant it to be "the one cause". I think what you wanted her to say was "more" visual, which probably would have been a more appropriate way of putting it. Either way, you have to understand that men are straight up visual beings. Do some men want an emotional connection to women? Yes. For me, as well as for other men, we have to have a serious commitment with one woman in order to be sexually satisfied, but the bottom line is the visual stands out more than anything else. I'm not speaking of the low down jokers who can't or won't commit to ONE woman. Those jokers just want women to use their panties as ankle warmers, so to me they're pointless and not worth talking about.

I was trying to avoid breaking down how we think graphically, but I think it might be best, because it might help you understand us men better. Moderators if you have to delete this post, I'll understand, but I'm only trying to help.

SydneyK, because of sperm production and other factors, men naturally desire a sexual release about every 3 days or so. Some feel this need as often as every couple of days. Others experience it less. While the frequency of the need varies from man to man, each one has his own sexual cycle in which he experiences these physical desires. We receive sexual gratification through our eyes. We don't need a date, and we don't ever need to wait. We have our eyes, which we can use to take in sexual gratification at any time. We're turned on by female nudity in any way, shape, or form. We're not picky either. It can come in a photograph of a nude stranger just as easily as in a romantic interlude with a naked girlfriend. It's almost like we have a visual ignition switch when it comes to viewing the female anatomy. Women seldom understand this because they aren't sexually stimulated in the same way we are. A lot of women view this visual aspect of our sexuality as low down, shallow and dirty, but it's not. It's how we're made.

When it comes to having an orgasm, our minds are on one thing. The actual physical act of sex with the woman. It's that simple. For women, (and I may be wrong here) but for women, orgasm is probably 10% physical and 90% mental. If a man is trying to please his woman, he can forget about it if her mind is a million miles away. For men it's all physical, but generally women need to focus mentally on the sexual experience in order to receive ultimate sexual pleasure.

Sex is a cyclical need for men, meaning, we want it all the time, or whenever we can get it. Hell, we don't even have to look at a woman to get an erection. We can think it, it doesn't take long. Now, women have their own unique cycle. Although physical pleasure may not be a cyclical need for them like it is in men, women long for attention and affection on a regular recurring basis. For example, just as a man would become far more vurnerable to physically cheating if his woman rarely responded to his physical needs for a sexual release, a woman becomes far more vurnerable to physically cheating when her emotional needs are neglected over and over again. When a woman cheats, most often than not, it begins as emotional cheating. A woman's emotional needs are just as vitally important to her as a man's physical needs are to him. I'm not disagreeing with you when you said it's more than that, because for some men it is more than that. The bottom line is for the men who want a long term commitment, we're still visual and want sex on a recurring basis, but of course always with the same woman over and over again.

If you're currently in a relationship or married, I wish you the best. If you're single, good luck with your dating.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

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SydneyK, because of sperm production and other factors, men naturally desire a sexual release about every 3 days or so. Some feel this need as often as every couple of days. Others experience it less. While the frequency of the need varies from man to man, each one has his own sexual cycle in which he experiences these physical desires. We receive sexual gratification through our eyes. We don't need a date, and we don't ever need to wait. We have our eyes, which we can use to take in sexual gratification at any time. We're turned on by female nudity in any way, shape, or form. We're not picky either. It can come in a photograph of a nude stranger just as easily as in a romantic interlude with a naked girlfriend. It's almost like we have a visual ignition switch when it comes to viewing the female anatomy. Women seldom understand this because they aren't sexually stimulated in the same way we are. A lot of women view this visual aspect of our sexuality as low down, shallow and dirty, but it's not. It's how we're made.

When it comes to having an orgasm, our minds are on one thing. The actual physical act of sex with the woman. It's that simple. For women, (and I may be wrong here) but for women, orgasm is probably 10% physical and 90% mental. If a man is trying to please his woman, he can forget about it if her mind is a million miles away. For men it's all physical, but generally women need to focus mentally on the sexual experience in order to receive ultimate sexual pleasure.

Sex is a cyclical need for men, meaning, we want it all the time, or whenever we can get it. Hell, we don't even have to look at a woman to get an erection. We can think it, it doesn't take long. Now, women have their own unique cycle. Although physical pleasure may not be a cyclical need for them like it is in men, women long for attention and affection on a regular recurring basis. For example, just as a man would become far more vurnerable to physically cheating if his woman rarely responded to his physical needs for a sexual release, a woman becomes far more vurnerable to physically cheating when her emotional needs are neglected over and over again. When a woman cheats, most often than not, it begins as emotional cheating. A woman's emotional needs are just as vitally important to her as a man's physical needs are to him. I'm not disagreeing with you when you said it's more than that, because for some men it is more than that. The bottom line is for the men who want a long term commitment, we're still visual and want sex on a recurring basis, but of course always with the same woman over and over again.

Eh...this is the worst men's sexuality/sex ed lecture I've read or heard.

I have found that many men know as little about what makes them "tick" as many women know about what makes men "tick." Of course it sounds good for men to think and say that they are visually and sexually driven creatues with this inherent NEED. That solidifies gendered norms of males being systematic, rational, and purpose-driven---even if their actions appear completely irrational. Meanwhile, in all of this, women somehow remain the emotional ones whose actions are expressive and therefore have an opposite motivation than men's actions.

Yikes.

ETA: With exception for individual variation, all humans have the potential to be turned on by nudity. And, no, men are not turned on by ANY female nudity. Men are picky. To believe that they (including YOU) are not is to assume something about biological maleness that has yet to proven true. And reduces grown ass men to 1 year olds who are just discovering their penises exists.

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Eh...this is the worst men's sexuality/sex ed lecture I've read or heard.

I have found that many men know as little about what makes them "tick" as many women know about what makes men "tick." Of course it sounds good for men to think and say that they are visually and sexually driven creatues with this inherent NEED. That solidifies gendered norms of males being systematic, rational, and purpose-driven---even if their actions appear completely irrational. Meanwhile, in all of this, women somehow remain the emotional ones whose actions are expressive and therefore have an opposite motivation than men's actions.

Yikes.

ETA: With exception for individual variation, all humans have the potential to be turned on by nudity. And, no, men are not turned on by ANY female nudity. Men are picky. To believe that they (including YOU) are not is to assume something about biological maleness that has yet to proven true. And reduces grown ass men to 1 year olds who are just discovering their penises exists.

Walks away kickin' rocks.

Seriously. I agree with you partially, women and men are very different from one another, and we don't know every that makes the other tick, but you don't agree that men are visual by nature?

[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

ETA: With exception for individual variation, all humans have the potential to be turned on by nudity. And, no, men are not turned on by ANY female nudity. Men are picky. To believe that they (including YOU) are not is to assume something about biological maleness that has yet to proven true. And reduces grown ass men to 1 year olds who are just discovering their penises exists.

I saw this before I went to work, but I didn't have time to respond to it. LMAO! I was thinking about this all day today at work. We had a meeting and someone told a corny joke, and I was laughing the hardest. It looked like I was laughing at the joke, but I was thinking about this post.

I should have clarified that better. Yes we are picky. I was saying the many shapes or forms as in how it's presented to us. Rather it be in a movie, t.v. magazines or whatever. But yes, some men are picky. I know I am. But, yeah I agree with you on that.

Damn, you are funnnneeeee. LOL.

[cheerfulgreek]

PrettyBoy, I was trying to see if there was a science to attracting the opposite sex. You arrive and start talking about sperm production, erections and orgasms.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

PrettyBoy, I was trying to see if there was a science to attracting the opposite sex. You arrive and start talking about sperm production, erections and orgasms.

I never knew what the OT was. I just jump in when people start talking about how "different" men and women are.