Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[AKA2D '91]

Maybe not now, but I bet a book is forthcoming. Why not? Others do it.

[SummerChild]

Soror, I meant now is not the time for his grandstanding (not for his book).
SC

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

Maybe not now, but I bet a book is forthcoming. Why not? Others do it.

[AKA2D '91]

I don't have a problem with the grandstanding. It's just that the media and some folks can't separate Wright from Obama or vice versa.

Rev Wright is SO on point with what he says, IMO.

If Obama does not win the nomination, this will be used as the EXCUSE. I told ya'll don't forget whose world it is. Regardless of Wright, if THEY want Obama IN, he will get IN...with or without the so called grandstanding!

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

Rev Wright is SO on point with what he says, IMO.

If Obama does not win the nomination, this will be used as the EXCUSE. I told ya'll don't forget whose world it is. Regardless of Wright, if THEY want Obama IN, he will get IN...with or without the so called grandstanding!

I must say that I agree that Wright is on point with some of the things he says (a lot of what he says to be truthful), but as a mentor and a leader and a man of God he should understand that there is a time and a place for everything. He should also be aware that what he says and does not only reflects on him, but on Obama and all black people for that matter. I really regret that some black people still forget that when they open their mouthes and when they act out they do not only rep themselves they rep everything associated with them. Rev. Wright knows the effects of what he said and how the media portrayed him. I've corresponded with him and he has said how it has weighed on him. So my thing is if you know your actions could cause Obama to lose support then shut up for the time being. After he's president then run your mouth. Im cool with people taking advantage of opportunity. Im against it when it is to the detriment of others. There have been plenty of times when groups or individuals could have spoken out and felt a need to speak out but decided not to because it was in the best interest of those that they support to remain a quiet dissenter.

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

if THEY want Obama IN, he will get IN

You havent spoken anything but the truth, but I have to say that they want him now, but the more Wright says the less some of Them want him. In my opinion they should never be given a reson to doubt Obama and wright seems to be giving them plenty.

[Ten/Four]

I'm fine with the compromise. Once again Hillary is just trying to keep her name in the news. How are they going to be mad about Michigan when she was the only name on the ballot?

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by Ten/Four

I'm fine with the compromise. Once again Hillary is just trying to keep her name in the news. How are they going to be mad about Michigan when she was the only name on the ballot?

HRC is playing a politically detrimental game long term at this point. Politicians do each other like this all the time. "No permanent allies, only permanent interests" as the saying goes. They'll make up and move on to the next political fight.

Out in the country however, where constituencies tend to focus in only periodically, IMO she's done longterm damage to the "Clinton" brand name vis-a-vis Black America. People can respect, and at one time applaud, her campaign and how she waged it, but she's had no endgame for a quite a while now.

Going forward, I think HRC's future ability to attract AfAm votes (nationally) is pretty much nil at this point.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

I'm a Floridian. I saw what happened in the 2000 election and I'm disgusted and saddened that Hillary supporters would compare 2000 to the Democratic primaries in FL & MI. I voted on Jan. 29 knowing my vote wouldn't count & at the time I was an Edwards supporter so I voted for Edwards.

I watched the Democratic Rules & Bylaws Committe & frankly Ickes can go to hell...and those so-called Democratic Floridians who booed & shouted "Denver, Denver" as our elected officials begged & pleaded with them to see reason and understand that comprimise, by defintion, cannot satisfy all parties completely can go right along with him. They should be happy we got anything back at all.

I am now convinced we will lose in November. I've talked personally to Hillary supporters & watched the circus of Hillary supporters on Saturday & most tell me they will not vote for Obama in November & will either vote for McCain or stay home. Welcome to another 4 years of Republican Rule!!! I'm going to try some new investments this year so I'll have enough money to pay for gas next year...

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by TonyB06

HRC is playing a politically detrimental game long term at this point. Politicians do each other like this all the time. "No permanent allies, only permanent interests" as the saying goes. They'll make up and move on to the next political fight.

Out in the country however, where constituencies tend to focus in only periodically, IMO she's done longterm damage to the "Clinton" brand name vis-a-vis Black America. People can respect, and at one time applaud, her campaign and how she waged it, but she's had no endgame for a quite a while now.

Going forward, I think HRC's future ability to attract AfAm votes (nationally) is pretty much nil at this point.

I agree. CNN is reporting that most of the uncommitted Senate superdelegates will throw their support to Obama. And Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid are also asking all uncommitted superdelegates to make their decision known by the end of this week.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by SummerChild

Soror, I meant now is not the time for his grandstanding (not for his book).
SC

I totally agree. If he wants to cash in on a book, so be it...AKA2D '91 is right, others do... BUT he is grandstanding. He knows it, you know it, and I know it. The book will sell because he used to be Obama's pastor & because clips from his sermon were all over the news & youtube. All publicity is good publicity when you're trying to cash in.

Even though I agree with some (definitely not all) of what Wright says, he has to realize that its best to say these things AFTER Obama wins. A lot of Americans are lazy in their thinking. They're not going to separate Obama from his former pastor's comments because its just too easy.


"Obama says what he has to say as a politician"
~ Rev. Wright

What was the point of that?

[Little32]

Rev. Wright is not trying to cash in. He already had multiple books and an active career as a speaker before these links to Obama thrust him into the national political spotlight. He was and continues to be a well-respected theologian and because of that was and continues to be a sought after speaker. He was and is doing alright without this crap, believe me.

If anything, this publicity is hurting him because right after it happened he had to cancel speaking engagements because of the death threats that he received; also some of those engagements were canceled as a reaction to this negative press (I think).

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Alright, if that is the case and the impression I have from seeing his appearances on tv is wrong then I'll concede the point. I shouldn't have implied he's trying to cash in, though it really makes no difference to me. I was moreso talking about about how likely he'd be able to sell a book detailing his current experiences because of the 'controversy' as opposed to sermons he's published in the past. If his message is worthwhile then why not?

I know he has dozens of theological books & that he was sought after before (I remember hearing that Bill & Hillary invited him to the White House and so he had to have already been nationally recognized) but because of the recent drama he's more famous, infamous, well known, or what have you.

IMO what continues to be bothersome is that he continues to make 'controversial' statements before the election. Anyone can see that anything he says now can and will be used against Obama. That's really all I care about...

[Little32]

^^OK, but I am pretty sure that the book is not about this experience. When he mentioned his book the other day, it was in the context of the talk that he was giving about race and racism, so I imagine the book takes a look at those issues.

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

72 Delegates in Indiana
...................Votes........Vote%......Delegat es Precincts Reporting
Clinton.........638,274........51%...........37... ................99%
Obama.........615,862........49%...........33

115 Delegates in North Carolina
...........Votes ...........Vote% Delegates Precincts Reporting
Obama...........890,695..........56%...........58. ...................99%
Clinton...........657,920..........42%...........4 2


Total Delegates
Barack Obama........1,836
Hillary Clinton.........1,681

Total Delegates needed to win Democratic Nomination 2,025

[AKA2D '91]

Hilary just lent her campaign $6.4 million. Hmmmmmmmm!

[MsFoxyLoxy77]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

Hilary just lent her campaign $6.4 million. Hmmmmmmmm!

She's giving money to herself again? So does this make a total of 11.4 million (including the 5 million she gave herself before) or has she been able to pay herself that money back....