Sorority suspended for "Indian Party."

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Personally I'd feel honored.

Your "personally" doesn't really matter, though.

No other racial and ethnic minority group would feel honored if there were caricatures of them. The "red sambo" mascot from the Washington Redskins would've been axed from the jump.

http://www.aics.org/mascot/mascot.html
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/wahoo.htm

Some mascots and "tributes" are perceived as less offensive because Native Americans actually participate in them directly. However, only until Native Americans actually feel honored instead of mocked by their representation can anyone legitimately say they should feel honored.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

However, only until Native Americans actually feel honored instead of mocked by their representation can anyone legitimately say they should feel honored.

So all Native Americans agree on this, or are we talking about fringe groups which claim to speak for the whole?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Kevin

So all Native Americans agree on this, or are we talking about fringe groups which claim to speak for the whole?

This distinction is unimportant.

There have always been offensive images targeting blacks that not every black person finds offensive or gives a darn enough to speak out against. As long as there's more than one person who feels a certain way, there's a reason to speak out and they are within their right to say that "we" are offended. "We," to everyone with common sense, means that it is potentially degrading in general even if every PERSON within that group doesn't feel offended or doesn't agree that it should be addressed.

[shinerbock]

You know, when white people stop getting so defensive over other people getting somewhat offended, the people getting offended won't wield nearly as much power.

Also, sub in any other race for white, but I think we're the worst about this stuff. "Really, they dressed up like Indians?! Well, I'm certainly not a racist like them, so kick them all off campus (this will show I'm not one of those racists, right?)."

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

You know, when white people stop getting so defensive over other people getting somewhat offended, the people getting offended won't wield nearly as much power.

Example #1356409870 (and counting) of white people thinking they hold the key to all that is powerful and therefore are LOANING nonwhites power.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Also, sub in any other race for white, but I think we're the worst about this stuff. "Really, they dressed up like Indians?! Well, I'm certainly not a racist like them, so kick them all off campus (this will show I'm not one of those racists, right?)."

Nah, don't sub because you called it accurately but for more reasons than you know. You probably didn't intend for your words to be interpreted a certain way...but...hey.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Example #1356409870 (and counting) of white people thinking they hold the key to all that is powerful and therefore are LOANING nonwhites power.




Nah, don't sub because you called it accurately but for more reasons than you know.

Yes, I'm simply perpetuating the hierarchy. (vomits)

White people loan power to charges of racism because they're fearful of it. Anybody can use it, including whites.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Yes, I'm simply perpetuating the hierarchy. (vomits)

White people loan power to charges of racism because they're fearful of it. Anybody can use it, including whites.

Sure, power comes in all forms and can be used in different ways. We give people power all the time when we allow them to make us upset, paranoid, etc.

However, at a more aggregate and structural level, your post is equivalent to the phrase "race card" and the tendency for whites to be the only ones who can discuss race without being accused of "playing the race card." Ya know, because whites are so rational and objective whereas nonwhites are irrational and emotional about stuff. If whites don't let nonwhites "see them sweat" then those annoying nonwhites will stop being so consumed with race and go find a ball of yarn to play with--or something else to keep their race obsessed nonwhite selves occupied.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Your "personally" doesn't really matter, though.

No other racial and ethnic minority group would feel honored if there were caricatures of them. The "red sambo" mascot from the Washington Redskins would've been axed from the jump.

http://www.aics.org/mascot/mascot.html
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/wahoo.htm

Some mascots and "tributes" are perceived as less offensive because Native Americans actually participate in them directly. However, only until Native Americans actually feel honored instead of mocked by their representation can anyone legitimately say they should feel honored.

This distinction is unimportant.

There have always been offensive images targeting blacks that not every black person finds offensive or gives a darn enough to speak out against. As long as there's more than one person who feels a certain way, there's a reason to speak out and they are within their right to say that "we" are offended. "We," to everyone with common sense, means that it is potentially degrading in general even if every PERSON within that group doesn't feel offended or doesn't agree that it should be addressed.

None of this means that a group of girls playing Indian dress up at a college party should get in trouble. If that offends people, tough.

[33girl]

Who are these dorks who need an excuse or a costume to get drunk and/or party? Cinco de Mayo, Mardi Gras, New Year's Eve, St Patrick's Day - all for amateurs and all days which I usually stay home or go someplace really low key because they're populated with idiots who don't know how to hold their alcohol.

FWIW, I can totally see any of my friends going as Liesl & Rolf to a Halloween party, and not a single person being offended by it. That's our sense of humor. Throwing up a heil or two is staying in character, not being anti-Semitic. However, if you start saying things like "Jews are cheap" and the like, then you need to STFU - it's like the Seinfeld where Tim Watley converted to Judaism so he could tell Jewish jokes.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Who are these dorks who need an excuse or a costume to get drunk and/or party? Cinco de Mayo, Mardi Gras, New Year's Eve, St Patrick's Day - all for amateurs and all days which I usually stay home or go someplace really low key because they're populated with idiots who don't know how to hold their alcohol.

Well, I like to go to New Orleans for Mardi Gras, Savannah for St. Patricks........and I love to do it big for New Years..........I am certainly not an idiot, or a dork....and I can hold my alcohol just fine. Please don't stereotype people that like to engage in some of these once a year happenings just because you don't like to.

What does that even mean, "all for amateurs"??

It's called having a good time.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Well, I like to go to New Orleans for Mardi Gras, Savannah for St. Patricks........and I love to do it big for New Years..........I am certainly not an idiot, or a dork....and I can hold my alcohol just fine. Please don't stereotype people that like to engage in some of these once a year happenings just because you don't like to.

What does that even mean, "all for amateurs"??

It's called having a good time.

I am talking about the people who NEVER go out except on (insert big holiday here). They think they have to because it's (insert big holiday here) so they do, and make asses of themselves in the process. Anyone who's been to the Pgh St Patrick's Day parade (or in the French Quarter during Mardi Gras) knows the types I'm talking about.

I didn't say I didn't go out at all, but that if I do, it's not the place that is yelling OMG FREE MARDI GRAS BEADS AND SHOTS FOR GIRLS WHO SHOW THEIR BAZOOMS. Too many people think that's all those holidays are about.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I am talking about the people who NEVER go out except on (insert big holiday here). They think they have to because it's (insert big holiday here) so they do, and make asses of themselves in the process. Anyone who's been to the Pgh St Patrick's Day parade (or in the French Quarter during Mardi Gras) knows the types I'm talking about.

Yep.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I am talking about the people who NEVER go out except on (insert big holiday here). They think they have to because it's (insert big holiday here) so they do, and make asses of themselves in the process. Anyone who's been to the Pgh St Patrick's Day parade (or in the French Quarter during Mardi Gras) knows the types I'm talking about.

I didn't say I didn't go out at all, but that if I do, it's not the place that is yelling OMG FREE MARDI GRAS BEADS AND SHOTS FOR GIRLS WHO SHOW THEIR BAZOOMS. Too many people think that's all those holidays are about.

I gotcha. Definitely see what you are saying.