Sean Bell's Killers (NYC Cops) Walk

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by stardusttwin17

You want words? I got words

FIFTY BULLETS

NO GUN

DEAD FATHER

DEAD SON

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STOP POLICE

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Al Sharpton's involvement with Towana Brawley does NOT change the fact that a young man lies DEAD for the crime of attending a bachelor party the night before his wedding. Either come with something relevant or go away. This is too important to dismiss with semantics.

From the get go Mayor Bloomberg called the police's action excessive(& I give him props for that as he took a lot of flack for calling a spade a spade especially since under Guiliani & Koch that would NEVER have happened). This ruling is just another example of protecting the old boys club & not addressing the cancer that permeates the thinking process of our finest in blue.

Michael Vick got jail time for killing a damn dog.

Martha Stewart got jail time for profiting from stock tips.

Wesley Snipes is about to serve time for not paying taxes.

Foxy Brown served time and no one DIED from her actions.

These cops wrongly stopped someone KILLED him and are found not guilty of anything?

There is NO amount of money that will ease the pain that the Bell family or his daughters feel. They would gladly not have $50M to have him back alive.

The words "Stop police" and flash a dang badge and ALL of this could have been avoided.

Most of this unrelated to the legal matters of THIS case.
And those that are, well perhaps if one did not yell in order to make their case, one could agree with some of them.

And if you are talking about someone taking responsibilities for their actions/non-actions, then then those two words of mine do mean something.

And as you pointed out yourself, this is TOO important to dismiss with semantics.

Yet most of your yelling was about it.
From what I was told and taught, our legal system is based on one is Innocent until proved guilty.

In this criminal case, that seemed not to have happened.

And the phase "no justice" is getting a bit old. That POV seems to say if my way is not followed, anything else is wrong.

So, lets see what happens next. We have a civil case, we may have a Federal case. Being NYC, there could be a riot or two. And is a riot going to bring justice to anyone???

[NappyBison]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

well unfortunately...he was drunk

This is true...but what man doesn't have a few drinks at his bachelor party? I know it had to be obvious that Bell wasn't sober enough to respond as quickly as the officers wanted him too. I guess what I'm trying to determine, is what was the trigger that sent bullets flying???

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Most of this unrelated to the legal matters of THIS case.
And those that are, well perhaps if one did not yell in order to make their case, one could agree with some of them.

And if you are talking about someone taking responsibilities for their actions/non-actions, then then those two words of mine do mean something.

And as you pointed out yourself, this is TOO important to dismiss with semantics.

Yet most of your yelling was about it.
From what I was told and taught, our legal system is based on one is Innocent until proved guilty.

In this criminal case, that seemed not to have happened.

And the phase "no justice" is getting a bit old. That POV seems to say if my way is not followed, anything else is wrong.

So, lets see what happens next. We have a civil case, we may have a Federal case. Being NYC, there could be a riot or two. And is a riot going to bring justice to anyone???

Jon please..you give NYC too little credit.

Do you realize that these had been 5 shootings like this where unarmed men at night just seem to die in ahail of bullets since 1999? No riots have broken out.

However something needs to be done and soon before people really start shooting back at the cops.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by NappyBison

This is true...but what man doesn't have a few drinks at his bachelor party? I know it had to be obvious that Bell wasn't sober enough to respond as quickly as the officers wanted him too. I guess what I'm trying to determine, is what was the trigger that sent bullets flying???

You know what...that's the part we DONT know.

being as the officers were moving in on Bell and his friends because they suspected them of going to get some weapons, what would have stopped them from fully displaying badges and also calling in uniformed cops to detain these guys?

Just because someone says "go get my gun" doesn't mean that they have one.

matter of fact...check this article out:


NYPD Lieutenant's shocking recollection at Sean Bell trial


The leader of the NYPD detectives who killed Sean Bell in a 50-bullet barrage testified Friday he didn't hear his men identify themselves as cops before they opened fire.

Lt. Gary Napoli, the hapless leader of the undercover unit that night, also said he "didn't see any badges" in plain view before the cops shot Bell on his wedding day.

"Did you hear any police commands?" prosecutor Charles Testagrossa asked.

"No," Napoli said.

"Did you ever hear any shouts, 'Police!' 'Don't move!" Testagrossa asked.

"No," Napoli replied again.

The stunning admission came on the fourth day of the 50-shot trial, which began with Napoli being forced to identify accused detectives Michael Oliver, Gescard Isnora and Marc Cooper by name.

Then Napoli, who was not charged with a crime but has been accused of incompetence, gave his version of events that culminated with the death of the 23-year-old groom-to-be outside a seedy Queens strip joint on Nov. 25, 2006.

Napoli's team was doing a sting at the Kalua Cabaret on 94th Ave., where Bell - a father of two - was having his bachelor party.

In earlier testimony, Napoli admitted the ill-fated operation was poorly planned but he was determined to make one more arrest so they could padlock the club.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...lection_a.html

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

However something needs to be done and soon before people really start shooting back at the cops.

This already happens, of course. From what I can tell the situation here was absurd, but police are in precarious positions and cries of police brutality are sometimes ignored for good reason.

[NappyBison]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

You know what...that's the part we DONT know.

being as the officers were moving in on Bell and his friends because they suspected them of going to get some weapons, what would have stopped them from fully displaying badges and also calling in uniformed cops to detain these guys?

Just because someone says "go get my gun" doesn't mean that they have one.

Cosign Cosign Cosign!


smh

IMHO, I bet Bell or one of his aquaintances made some sort of gesture that the police probably misread (I use that term loosely) and things escalated from that point forward. Have these cops been placed on any type of suspension since the incident???

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

You know what...that's the part we DONT know.

being as the officers were moving in on Bell and his friends because they suspected them of going to get some weapons, what would have stopped them from fully displaying badges and also calling in uniformed cops to detain these guys?

Just because someone says "go get my gun" doesn't mean that they have one.

matter of fact...check this article out:


NYPD Lieutenant's shocking recollection at Sean Bell trial


The leader of the NYPD detectives who killed Sean Bell in a 50-bullet barrage testified Friday he didn't hear his men identify themselves as cops before they opened fire.

Lt. Gary Napoli, the hapless leader of the undercover unit that night, also said he "didn't see any badges" in plain view before the cops shot Bell on his wedding day.

"Did you hear any police commands?" prosecutor Charles Testagrossa asked.

"No," Napoli said.

"Did you ever hear any shouts, 'Police!' 'Don't move!" Testagrossa asked.

"No," Napoli replied again.

The stunning admission came on the fourth day of the 50-shot trial, which began with Napoli being forced to identify accused detectives Michael Oliver, Gescard Isnora and Marc Cooper by name.

Then Napoli, who was not charged with a crime but has been accused of incompetence, gave his version of events that culminated with the death of the 23-year-old groom-to-be outside a seedy Queens strip joint on Nov. 25, 2006.

Napoli's team was doing a sting at the Kalua Cabaret on 94th Ave., where Bell - a father of two - was having his bachelor party.

In earlier testimony, Napoli admitted the ill-fated operation was poorly planned but he was determined to make one more arrest so they could padlock the club.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...lection_a.html

And this was the Boss who on the stand stated that he hid under his seat while the shoot was going on and once it stopped walked up to the officers and did not even ask what just happened.

[NappyBison]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

NYPD Lieutenant's shocking recollection at Sean Bell trial


The leader of the NYPD detectives who killed Sean Bell in a 50-bullet barrage testified Friday he didn't hear his men identify themselves as cops before they opened fire.

Lt. Gary Napoli, the hapless leader of the undercover unit that night, also said he "didn't see any badges" in plain view before the cops shot Bell on his wedding day.

"Did you hear any police commands?" prosecutor Charles Testagrossa asked.

"No," Napoli said.

"Did you ever hear any shouts, 'Police!' 'Don't move!" Testagrossa asked.

"No," Napoli replied again.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c...lection_a.html

Thanks for the link

I'm wondering if police are required to make any formal orders which would reveal their identities before advancing towards any suspect/citizen especially with drawn weapons?

[shinerbock]

Of course saying "go get my gun" doesn't mean they have one, but if you've heard that, and someone makes some sudden movement in a tense situation, it can certainly create reasonable fear for your life.

I still don't see how this shooting is anything other than absurd, but I don't think that statement can be discounted.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Of course saying "go get my gun" doesn't mean they have one, but if you've heard that, and someone makes some sudden movement in a tense situation, it can certainly create reasonable fear for your life.

I still don't see how this shooting is anything other than absurd, but I don't think that statement can be discounted.

still doesn't mean you fire reload and keep firing

[Velocity_14]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

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[NappyBison]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Of course saying "go get my gun" doesn't mean they have one, but if you've heard that, and someone makes some sudden movement in a tense situation, it can certainly create reasonable fear for your life.

I still don't see how this shooting is anything other than absurd, but I don't think that statement can be discounted.

Yes this is true, and given the circumstances I'd be wary of Bell and his friends if I was an officer on the scene. Police training should tell you that after at least one shot, you've successfully disabled your target to say the least After the first round did they think Bell was still a "threat" to their lives????

Come on!

NYPD is notorious for using excessive force throughout history. They're comparable to a watered-down version of the Ku Klux Klan if you ask me.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

still doesn't mean you fire reload and keep firing

And clearly I didn't say anything that would give rise to such an inference.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

And clearly I didn't say anything that would give rise to such an inference.

"reasonable fear for your life"?


mmmkay

SHOOT TIL SAFE

April 7, 2008 -- The NYPD trains its officers to continue firing their weapons until a target no longer poses a threat, an expert will testify this week at the trial of three officers charged in the 50-shot killing of Sean Bell.

The witness, an expert in police training and tactics, will explain when police officers "can use deadly force," said a defense source.

He is also expected to contradict the prosecution's claim that the officers should have fired just three times and then stopped to assess the situation.

"It's a ridiculous notion of firing three shots and then stopping, which is never taught in the Police Department," the source said.

Detective Michael Oliver fired 31 times and Detective Gescard Isnora 11 times during the chaotic events of Nov. 25, 2006, outside the Kalua strip club in Jamaica. Both are charged with manslaughter. Detective Michael Cooper, who fired four times, is charged with reckless endangerment. Two other cops fired a total of four bullets.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04072008...ted_105371.htm

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by NappyBison

Yes this is true, and given the circumstances I'd be wary of Bell and his friends if I was an officer on the scene. Police training should tell you that after at least one shot, you've successfully disabled your target to say the least After the first round did they think Bell was still a "threat" to their lives????

Come on!

Next time you have a conversation with an officer or perhaps a solder/Marine, ask them that question.
I know that I can not give you the answer that you deserve or are looking for. And a strongly suspect that very few posters on GC can either.

I am aware of studies on that very matter however.