Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by Little32

Yeah and I sort of fell for it this time, but these guys are full of crap.

/end hijack.

You have a funny way of agreeing.

[CrackerBarrel]

Because in the sense that he used culture, he was referring to a value system. You really don't add anything to the argument. You join the thread every time one of the men from a southern chapter posts something, and then go about trying to provoke them into saying something that you can twist into racism to further the stereotype you already have of southern fraternities.

I would say it's the pot calling the kettle black, but then you'd probably tell me that it was racist to say that.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Because in the sense that he used culture, he was referring to a value system.

It's cute that you all are speaking for each other. Okay, let's say he meant value system.

What's America's value system before all of these minority groups sent it to hell. Hardworking, Christian, what else?

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

You really don't add anything to the argument. You join the thread every time one of the men from a southern chapter posts something, and then go about trying to provoke them into saying something that you can twist into racism to further the stereotype you already have of southern fraternities.

I would say it's the pot calling the kettle black, but then you'd probably tell me that it was racist to say that.

Seriously? Get over it, dude. You're putting more into this than I am.

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

It's cute that you all are speaking for each other. Okay, let's say he meant value system.

What's America's value system before all of these minority groups sent it to hell. Hardworking, Christian, what else?



Seriously? Get over it, dude. You're putting more into this than I am.

I'm not speaking for anyone, you're being a smarta$$ and trying to argue something that at no point was this discussion about. How do I know? Because I looked up what post provoked all this.

Originally Posted by nate2512
Because everyone else is worried about being politically correct while the South, thank God, holds on the to values we believe and doesn't give a damn about what other people think of us.

To which you responded: Sarcasm?

And then PledgeTrainer said: "No, this country's culture is going in the tank."

Chew on that one for a bit and get back to us when you've come up with a more convincing strawman.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

I'm not speaking for anyone, you're being a smarta$$ and trying to argue something that at no point was this discussion about. How do I know? Because I looked up what post provoked all this.

Who would've thought asking this question would make you all so defensive. You all were defensive before I even started probing for better answers. Don't ever challenge someone who is afraid of cultural decay, I guess.

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

To which you responded: Sarcasm?

And then PledgeTrainer said: "No, this country's culture is going in the tank."

Uh huh. Good job. And therefore I asked what this country's culture is.

So either you answer the question or give it a rest.

[Little32]

Well, you are full of crap regardless of race, class, gender, or sexuality. :shrugging shoulders:

[Little32]

You all still have not answered her question, which stems from your claims. You introduced the terms, now define them.

Wikipedia is not a well-vetted information source.

To think that American culture can be defined in the space of a brief paragraph is just silly.

Why am I arguing with trolls?

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by Little32

To think that American culture can be defined in the space of a brief paragraph is just silly.

No kidding. And to think that it was your argumentative and inane buddy here who said that it could.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Little32

To think that American culture can be defined in the space of a brief paragraph is just silly.

Well, my question could've been answered in a paragraph. I didn't ask them to define or analyze the concepts that go into American culture.

I just wanted their opinions and not an external source. When most people expouse certain viewpoints, particularly moral outrage, they are doing so from raw emotion and not from a well-read foundation. That's how you get to bare opinions. As far as informed opinions, they can read and define on their own time. I hope they do.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Well, my question could've been answered in a paragraph. I didn't ask them to define or analyze the concepts that go into American culture.

These guys are full of crap; they are pulling claims out of their ears and they are not really supporting them or even really engaging them critically, which is all that you asked them to do.

[CrackerBarrel]

We pretty well covered what was relevant to the conversation at hand.

It's not my responsibility to respond to any inane and irrelevant question that she asks, she's welcome to be a stubborn and baiting ass all she wants, just don't expect an answer unless it's a tangent I feel like going off on.

[Pledgetrainer]

If she refuses to see the answer, which we have phrased 14 different ways, it's not worth anybody's time.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

We pretty well covered what was relevant to the conversation at hand.

Okay. Keep fighting the good fight.

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

It's not my responsibility to respond to any inane and irrelevant question that she asks, she's welcome to be a stubborn and baiting ass all she wants, just don't expect an answer unless it's a tangent I feel like going off on.

Well, you've certainly spent the last few pages not answering my question. But you did well at trying to answer or convince me that you did answer. Good job.

/end transmission

[Little32]

Originally Posted by CountryClub

The question was "What is American culture?" which leads to a highly opinionated answer. One's perception of American culture can be altered by geography, personal values and experiences, religious beliefs, race, etc.

And this, I believe is what Chaos was trying to get at. (She will correct me if I am wrong.) So what, then, is the "true" definition, and are we really going to hell in a handbasket?

Originally Posted by CountryClub

The "claims" are our opinions which don't need to be supported or backed by anything really.

That's not true; my students labor under this misperception all the time. You do have to provide support unless you want your opinions to be read as random rantings. If that is your goal, then have at it.

[Pledgetrainer]

Originally Posted by Little32

And this, I believe is what Chaos was trying to get at.

Oh, so she wanted wealthy white college student in the Deep South? Fine, there's her culture. If that's the background you need to understand 6 pages of solid arguments, then there you go. If you're just being obtuse under the pretense of trying to facilitate critical thinking, then I'm done.