Sean Bell's Killers (NYC Cops) Walk

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and one reloaded.

Yeah, how did THAT get justified?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Yeah, how did THAT get justified?

he was scared that Bell was gonna use harsh language....


BTW here is a timeline all the way up to April 1st of all that has transpired:


timeline from the beginning

[shinerbock]

Interesting. I guess I was thrown off by Sharpton's presence.

I thought I remembered racial tones to this story when it happened, but I suppose it was just straight up police brutality instead.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Interesting. I guess I was thrown off by Sharpton's presence.

I thought I remembered racial tones to this story when it happened, but I suppose it was just straight up police brutality instead.

yes....please make sure you read thru this story carefully...there is a lot more going on than race in this...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Interesting. I guess I was thrown off by Sharpton's presence.

I thought I remembered racial tones to this story when it happened, but I suppose it was just straight up police brutality instead.

The "racial tones" come from the fact that this is yet another case of a black man being the victim of police homicide. This is a structural problem with "off the record" police procedures and the profiling and treatment of "usual suspects." This is less about the race of the officers in question.

Here's the NY Times story from 2006:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refere...ell/index.html

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

The "racial tones" come from the fact that this is yet another case of a black man being the victim of police homicide. This is a structural problem with "off the record" police procedures and the profiling and treatment of "usual suspects." This is less about the race of the officers in question.

Here's the NY Times story from 2006:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refere...ell/index.html

Well, and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with my assumption (and other people may do this too) that any police brutality case which receives significant attention probably has a racial element. I'm sure that isn't entirely accurate, but those stories seem more likely to be well-publicized.

But yes, I think police brutality and racial profiling often run up against each other. Also, police brutality arguably disproportionately impacts the inner-city poor, which often brings in an element of racial divide.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well, and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with my assumption (and other people may do this too) that any police brutality case which receives significant attention probably has a racial element. I'm sure that isn't entirely accurate, but those stories seem more likely to be well-publicized.

But yes, I think police brutality and racial profiling often run up against each other. Also, police brutality arguably disproportionately impacts the inner-city poor, which often brings in an element of racial divide.

OK...The cops

2 Black
1 Hispanic
2 White

Ofc Michael Oliver, the white cop, shot 31 times, the most of all the shooters, also was the one who reloaded....

Let's just get that out in the open.

But again, race really doesn't have a play here over police procedure, which it was discussed, was improperly followed.

However, I have to say this though....at 4am in a questionable part of town...if 4 or 5 guys roll up on me and my boys that I don't know...it's fight or flight, I don't care what color you are.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

OK...The cops

2 Black
1 Hispanic
2 White

Ofc Michael Oliver, the white cop, shot 31 times, the most of all the shooters, also was the one who reloaded....

Let's just get that out in the open.

But again, race really doesn't have a play here over police procedure, which it was discussed, was improperly followed.

However, I have to say this though....at 4am in a questionable part of town...if 4 or 5 guys roll up on me and my boys that I don't know...it's fight or flight, I don't care what color you are.

Yeah I reread the article, I'm not sure what point you're really arguing. I'm not claiming this is a racial incident, I was just responding to DST's post about how racial undertones are sometimes sensed in police brutality situations.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

But again, race really doesn't have a play here over police procedure, which it was discussed, was improperly followed.

Race actually does have a play here but not in the way that Americans are used to dealing with race.

Americans are used to dealing with race in terms of a racially prejudiced cop (usually white) targeting racial and ethnic minorities (usually males) because they dislike minorities and want to justify targeting them.

However, what has been found regarding race and law enforcement is that racial and ethnic minority officers are often the ones using force on racial and ethnic minority suspects--for various reasons including alleged suspect demeanor and even the perceived need to prove themselves to fellow officers. White officers who do or do not feel a particular way about black males, for instance, do not necessarily translate this feeling into behavior (police brutality, shooting suspects, harassing blacks) to the extent that people think they do.

So when we talk about police brutality and profiling, in terms of police procedures, we do have to acknowledge that black males are most often the victims of this and there is a huge cover-up going on that allows cops to be acquitted most of the time. This is about a structural issue regarding race in police procedures and not the individual level issue of racial prejudice that Americans are used to focusing on. That's why the race of the officers (and even the existence or nonexistence of prejudices) is not key. Black and Hispanic officers are just as susceptible to perpetuating this structural inequality in many contexts.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

timeline from the beginning

I'm sick to my stomach.

Two more children left without a father. Another woman left alone to find a way to raise her family.

[AlethiaSi]

I heard about the decision on my way to work this morning on NPR... One of the reporters was in the crowd outside the courthouse with hundreds of people and you could just hear them yelling and screaming...

This whole thing just makes me sick...