So i have a question.....

[Little32]

^^Never had that experience. I can not even recall them being on my campus during undergrad. *Thinking hard* No, I don't ever recall seeing sweets of any sort.

[Senusret I]

I was on a local campus chatting with some Greeks (don't worry, it's a non-traditional school -- they were all my age or older) and we were talking about Greek life, and somehow I mentioned sweethearts. It got real quiet....

Then somebody said to me "Yeah.... the Krappas here have sweethearts...."

And I said "Ooooooooooh"

And they said "Yeah"

People are hoping they will go away.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Little32

^^Never had that experience. I can not even recall them being on my campus during undergrad. *Thinking hard* No, I don't ever recall seeing sweets of any sort.

If you had them on your campus, you would definitely remember...no need to think about it. Like I said, oh the stories I could share. I was an undergrad in the early 90's and we had all of them (except Iota sweethearts) on my campus, running around, getting into altercations with NPHC sorority members, and getting passed around like meat between their so-called "brothers"...Oops but you ain't heard that from me.

I am so glad we banned them. Now I just wish some of our chapters would read the memo.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I was on a local campus chatting with some Greeks (don't worry, it's a non-traditional school -- they were all my age or older) and we were talking about Greek life, and somehow I mentioned sweethearts. It got real quiet....

Then somebody said to me "Yeah.... the Krappas here have sweethearts...."

And I said "Ooooooooooh"

And they said "Yeah"

People are hoping they will go away.

On my campus a few years ago there were some guys in a frat asking girls opinions if they would want to be a sweet if they were brought to campus. One of my classmates got asked and she was WAY excited. I was like....OH HAYLE NAWL! The aux. never got brought to my campus, and I think most were happy about that.

[brownsugardivah]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

If you had them on your campus, you would definitely remember...no need to think about it. Like I said, oh the stories I could share. I was an undergrad in the early 90's and we had all of them (except Iota sweethearts) on my campus, running around, getting into altercations with NPHC sorority members, and getting passed around like meat between their so-called "brothers"...Oops but you ain't heard that from me.

I am so glad we banned them. Now I just wish some of our chapters would read the memo.

Im so glad that on my campus we never had those issues. BUT I have seen on some campuses where sweethearts of other fraternities were being passed around by ALL the frats just going up and down the plots lol. I have yet to really seen other sweethearts besides Iota Sweets cause thats all that we had on my campus. But gladly we get along with the sororities on my campus both historically black and multicultural ones.

But I have heard some stories about auxilaries who cause a scene because they werent selected for intake because they swear up and down because they've been through whatever "process" with that means they should be selected lol whew

[AKA_Monet]

I feel like my Soror Little32--I have to care about them to give a gosh darn... And I don't.

The uplifting of women, African American women in particular does not seem like it can be done by Fraternities. I guess the corollary to that is that like mothers cannot make a boy into a man--so goes that a father cannot make a little girl into a woman... Fathers can make girls in women, but to be a positive role model of a woman? I dunno?

I would prefer powerhouse women as my role models than men who expect an antiquated concept of womanhood.

[ladygreek]

I was a former (notice I said former) Omega Sweet back in the day when it was considered a stepping-stone (most of my BSs had been Omega or Kappa Sweets.) Once I became a Pyramid the Sweet identity went away.

As everyone has said, we did not go to sorority events acting like we were peers. We knew we weren't and so did everyone else. We were humble and that is the biggest difference from today. Oh and we were legal. Only the Iotas have legal Sweets, so to me in spite of their "incorporating" into their own orgs. as long as they carry the name of a fraternity they are bogus.

Oh and the reputations associated with them today as opposed in the past is a whole 'nother subject. And for that the frats share the blame.

[1908Revelations]

http://stuffblackgreekslike.wordpres...uxiliary-orgs/

[brownsugardivah]

That was a really good article. I have a question though...and Ive been so confused and my brothers have yet to give me an accurate answer. If the NPHC exists because of the organizations within them, Im still trying to understand how the NPHC banned all auxilaries. If all the fraternities and sororities are what make the council, then without them it wouldnt exist? Was it something that was a collective agreement that it was in the best interest of the council to get rid of sweethearts in fraternities? Because suppose for example.... XYZ fraternity decided that they didnt want to get rid of their sweethearts? How could other organizations of your peers force you to get rid of apart of history within your organization? Was there some sort of law that was put into place about sweethearts, because of the band, when Iotas DID join the NPHC what made their sweethearts able to coexist? Sorry if Im asking too many questions, just :: confused ::

[Senusret I]

^^^ The NPHC itself is just a coordinating organization. Ultimately, the member fraternities and sororities still govern themselves. If AKA brings back aboveground pledging, Alpha brings back sweethearts, Kappa goes coed, there's nothing the NPHC could do about it.

[DSTCHAOS]

More than that, the organizations that banned sweethearts most likely did so on some sort of a risk assessment basis, similar to their banning of pledging. I know women who were sweethearts in the 60s and 80s and their experience shows that sweetheartdom has changed in terms of the meaning and stigma. When it started changing may depend on the campus because my family member who pledged a BGLO frat in the 1950s had already had an unfavorable opinion of sweethearts as submissive and objectified.

We know why the Iotas didn't ban the along with the other NPHC orgs. But my opinion for why the Iotas still haven't banned them is that Iota is still relatively small and able to self-regulate pretty well. So on that end, perhaps most of the chapters, and the organization as a whole, has not experienced the risk associated with sweethearts so feels no need to ban them. Our risk assessments and ways of governing ourselves will always vary. This is another reason why the NPHC can't regulate our organizations as if we all have to be doing the same things at the same time.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by brownsugardivah

That was a really good article. I have a question though...and Ive been so confused and my brothers have yet to give me an accurate answer. If the NPHC exists because of the organizations within them, Im still trying to understand how the NPHC banned all auxilaries. If all the fraternities and sororities are what make the council, then without them it wouldnt exist? Was it something that was a collective agreement that it was in the best interest of the council to get rid of sweethearts in fraternities? Because suppose for example.... XYZ fraternity decided that they didnt want to get rid of their sweethearts? How could other organizations of your peers force you to get rid of apart of history within your organization? Was there some sort of law that was put into place about sweethearts, because of the band, when Iotas DID join the NPHC what made their sweethearts able to coexist? Sorry if Im asking too many questions, just :: confused ::

The NPHC is by itself an organization which 9 historically Black organizations currently make up. Yes, these organizations also function on their own and would continue to do so without the NPHC just as Iota did before 1996. The difference is that we do make some decisions together regarding those things that all of the orgs agree is best for all of us. All of the orgs felt that the auxillaries (particulary the sweets of the fraternities) were no longer serving their intended purpose and had turned into nuisances and liabilities. The negativity associated with them was also not a good image so the orgs collectively decided to ban them prior to Iota joining the NPHC in 1996. Iota decided to keep their sweets and other orgs could have made the same decision but we collectively agreed on the outcome.

Because of the long history of the NPHC and the cohesiveness between our orgs, we are still likely to think of what's best for all of us when it comes to certain things...since we are peers.

[brownsugardivah]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

The NPHC is by itself an organization which 9 historically Black organizations currently make up. Yes, these organizations also function on their own and would continue to do so without the NPHC just as Iota did before 1996. The difference is that we do make some decisions together regarding those things that all of the orgs agree is best for all of us. All of the orgs felt that the auxillaries (particulary the sweets of the fraternities) were no longer serving their intended purpose and had turned into nuisances and liabilities. The negativity associated with them was also not a good image so the orgs collectively decided to ban them prior to Iota joining the NPHC in 1996. Iota decided to keep their sweets and other orgs could have made the same decision but we collectively agreed on the outcome.

Because of the long history of the NPHC and the cohesiveness between our orgs, we are still likely to think of what's best for all of us when it comes to certain things...since we are peers.

Thank you very very much!! To all of you ladies, its the best answers to that question that Ive heard yet!!! I understand now!!