Yale Senior Self-Induced Abortions for Art Project

[skylark]

Originally Posted by Coramoor

...so this is what feminism's ultimate purpose was. Wonderful.

Good grief. I don't think that the women's movement has anything to do with this person's art project. The suggestion that women like Betty Freidan and Gloria Steinem were secretly wanting to see women purposely impregnate and miscarry (in the name of art?) says more about your limited rational abilities than it says anything about feminism. The women's movement is about equal rights, equal pay, equal respect. Not this. Get a clue.

My personal opinion is that this whole thing has more to do with the 1st amendment than abortion rights.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by skylark

Good grief. I don't think that the women's movement has anything to do with this person's art project. The suggestion that women like Betty Freidan and Gloria Steinem were secretly wanting to see women purposely impregnate and miscarry (in the name of art?) says more about your limited rational abilities than it says anything about feminism. The women's movement is about equal rights, equal pay, equal respect. Not this. Get a clue.

Wasn't Coramoor being sarcastic?

[skylark]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Wasn't Coramoor being sarcastic?

Maybe or maybe not. I interpreted the post to be arguing in a similar tone as "look, see what I told ya? I told ya those feminists would ruin the world." I think the comment about "our daughters" that followed made it clear that he thought the same "feminist" influences that inspired this Yale artist would corrupt other young women similarly.

If it was meant as sarcasm, pointing out that this has little to do with feminism at all... then by all means I take back my previous comment.

[honeychile]

Just out of curiosity: does everyone believe her, that she just told people that she did this? I'm not sure I could believe someone with such a fantastic tale. Even NARAL condemned her actions, for heaven's sake!

From the article: "The supposed senior art project of the Davenport College senior was a 'creative fiction'..."

That's tantamount to yelling, "Fire!" in a crowded theatre. If this is the calibur of a Yale soon-to-be graduate, and Yale is to be considered a very high calibur school, we are in for a pathetic future.

[shinerbock]

I find it crazy that Yale is saying "We wouldn't allow a student to do this if it was real, because it poses a health risk," while also seemingly saying that she came to them and disclosed this information today.

I mean, perhaps I'm missing how it all fits together, but it sounds like Yale, who could have responded to this 12 hours ago before it caught fire is saying:

1) She came and told us that this was fiction this afternoon

2) But we knew it was fake the whole time because we won't allow students to harm themselves like this

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

I think performance/experience art in general attracts students who lack the talent to use artistic media which are more traditional- but which also require a lot more work because they must convey an idea even when the artist is not there.

I have yet to see any performance art that I thought was worthwhile or worth being called "art."

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I find it crazy that Yale is saying "We wouldn't allow a student to do this if it was real, because it poses a health risk," while also seemingly saying that she came to them and disclosed this information today.

The statement doesn't say they wouldn't have allowed it, at least not explicitly. It just says that had she really done what she says she did, it would have reased serious ethical and physical and mental health concerns.

But yeah, it's a CYA statement. I just can't imagine paying the kind of money Yale costs for my kid to be doing "art projects" like this.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

But yeah, it's a CYA statement. I just can't imagine paying the kind of money Yale costs for my kid to be doing "art projects" like this.

I don't know - this is perhaps a little highfalutin for this kind of reaction thread, but it seems like art needs context . . . and that context essentially depends on shitty art, basically in whole.

So yeah - if you're Yale, and you want to push a great art department and be responsible for grand works of cultural significance, I'd say you have to let retards do the artistic equivalent of finger painting or national socialism. Serious, misguided, high-minded errors really show me what is "art" by showing what . . . isn't.

This girl wants to cause an uproar by faking abortions? Great! What a fantastic example of exactly why the art world lacks credibility with everyday people, and why Thomas Kinkade is the most popular American painter today. Whatever statement she thinks she's made has been completely lost on even the smartest people, and she has basically failed in every way. Great job. Here's your D-, and good luck teaching 3rd graders how to work a kiln in a few years. Marry rich.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

What a fantastic example of exactly why the art world lacks credibility with everyday people, and why Thomas Kinkade is the most popular American painter today.

You blaspheme The Painter of Light?!!!


And I agree with you.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I just can't imagine paying the kind of money Yale costs for my kid to be doing "art projects" like this.

The kids I knew who went to Yale (and their peer institutions!) were pretty crazy, with equally crazy parents. I wouldn't be surprised if her parents knew exactly what she was doing and supported her "freedom of expression" wholeheartedly.