Obama scoring points with rural voters...

[scbelle]

No, what I'm saying is that if we have decent economic solutions, then those topics won't be the ONLY things these people are voting for. I think 33girl summed it up nicely. But they will have more of a choice, and that's what democracy is all about. It could be that, after all is said and done, one may choose to vote on the basis of faith or the 2nd amendment in addition to (or perhaps even in contrast to)the economic policies. My personal belief is that the true Southern democrat needs to rise again.

As far as you question re: China, I'm much too tired to put forth the effort right now. My kneejerk reaction to your answer is that if I had a possible answer, I'D be running for POTUS.

And you're damn skippy I'm being petty about the current POTUS. His decision to invade a country when there were voices telling him that it wasn't a good idea to do it the way he wanted to, that there was evidence that what he was basing his decision on was wrong, etc... well, he's either a fool or one stubborn son of a gun. Either way, my family and quite a few of my friends have paid the price in real terms, and well, I'm bitter. What can I say?

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by scbelle

No, what I'm saying is that if we have decent economic solutions, then those topics won't be the ONLY things these people are voting for. I think 33girl summed it up nicely. But they will have more of a choice, and that's what democracy is all about. It could be that, after all is said and done, one may choose to vote on the basis of faith or the 2nd amendment in addition to (or perhaps even in contrast to)the economic policies. My personal belief is that the true Southern democrat needs to rise again.

As far as you question re: China, I'm much too tired to put forth the effort right now. My kneejerk reaction to your answer is that if I had a possible answer, I'D be running for POTUS.

And you're damn skippy I'm being petty about the current POTUS. His decision to invade a country when there were voices telling him that it wasn't a good idea to do it the way he wanted to, that there was evidence that what he was basing his decision on was wrong, etc... well, he's either a fool or one stubborn son of a gun. Either way, my family and quite a few of my friends have paid the price in real terms, and well, I'm bitter. What can I say?

Fair enough on China. I don't know the solution either, but this is a point my liberal friends raise a lot (environmental regulation), and I think it is going to be a tough road in this regard.

I disagree on Bush, but I don't think much progress will be made in that regard. I don't think the administration has done an admirable job, but I think shifting the blame to him and arguing that this is "his war" is a cop out (not sure if you feel this way or not, I'm just getting a similar impression). But, I do recognize that people certainly feel differently about this, and while I do my best to echo the sentiments of my friends in the military, I imagine your friends (and you) are probably ideologically different.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

pbear19 and 33girl,

From your interpretations, Obama is saying that people are falling back on issues such as gun control, religion, family values, etc. because they have no faith in any candidate to improve anything that "really matters", like their economic situations?
That doesn't really sound any better to me. I'll be voting for John McCain- and it certainly isn't because I'm clinging to my social issues.

First, no republican likes what Hillary or Obama are saying about healthcare, jobs, etc. That's why there are two parties that are completely different. Republicans and Democrats pursue things differently.

Johnstown, PA, which I referenced in my earlier post, is probably 80% Democrat.

It's not about "sounding better" - Obama is just stating the way things are, and the mindspace a lot of voters are actually in, and no one else has the balls to do so.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by 33girl

It's not about "sounding better" - Obama is just stating the way things are, and the mindspace a lot of voters are actually in, and no one else has the balls to do so.

Yep. And it doesn't take being a Democrat or an Obama supporter to realize this.