Alicia Keys: Conspiracy Theorist?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I somewhat agree with what she said about "gangsta rap."

While there were artists for decades who referenced their gangs and other "gangsta rap stuff" in songs for decades, the creation of a genre was very deliberate. And it isn't completely clear where the creation of a genre came from. Sure, Ice-T had the first real commercial success as a "gangsta rapper" but I'm not convinced that it was the rappers who led that movement (or even the people in the hoods). They wanted some of their stories told and for it to be accepted but the extent that that was allowed is still mostly up to those who allowed it.

I mean, Ice-T was the self proclaimed OG, and had one of the biggest influencing records of the whole genre, Original Gangster. I think the creation of the "gangsta rap" movement certainly had A LOT to do with the rappers themselves. NWA? Gangsta, Gangsta? Fuck tha Police? Straight outta Compton? I mean, these guys had graphic lyrics, a graphic image, and some pretty heavy beats for the time.............and I dig the shit out of it, haha.

I don't know, it just doesn't seem as deliberate to me as some may think. I think these guys wanted to get this "image" out there.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I mean, Ice-T was the self proclaimed OG, and had one of the biggest influencing records of the whole genre, Original Gangster.

...yeah...even Wikipedia can tell you that.

Originally Posted by macallan25

I think the creation of the "gangsta rap" movement certainly had A LOT to do with the rappers themselves.

The creation of the gangsta rap genre (we're talking about a genre of music and not a "movement" in terms of rappers wanting to talk about certain things in their songs) isn't mostly up to the artists. The music industry and the media generally don't operate that way.

Originally Posted by macallan25

I don't know, it just doesn't seem as deliberate to me as some may think.

Almost everything you see and hear in the media is deliberate. That doesn't make everything a result of a "conspiracy" but it's all deliberate. "Deliberate to accomplish what" is the question.

It's like a "chicken or egg" type issue. Were record execs just responding to the artists' and fans' interests or were the artists' and fans' interests in response to the money put into the creation and marketing of a genre of music? I don't know but it's interesting.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

...yeah...even Wikipedia can tell you that.



The creation of the gangsta rap genre (we're talking about a genre of music and not a "movement" in terms of rappers wanting to talk about certain things in their songs) isn't mostly up to the artists. The music industry and the media generally don't operate that way.



Almost everything you see and hear in the media is deliberate. That doesn't make everything a result of a "conspiracy" but it's all deliberate. "Deliberate to accomplish what" is the question.

It's like a "chicken or egg" type issue. Were record execs just responding to the artists' and fans' interests or were the artists' and fans' interests in response to the money put into the creation and marketing of a genre of music? I don't know but it's interesting.

The record execs were responding to the money being put into thier pockets...

Think Dave Geffen, Mike Klein and Jerry Heller

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

...yeah...even Wikipedia can tell you that.

I've listened to all of this stuff for a while. I don't need wikipedia to tell me anything. Thanks though.


The creation of the gangsta rap genre (we're talking about a genre of music and not a "movement" in terms of rappers wanting to talk about certain things in their songs) isn't mostly up to the artists. The music industry and the media generally don't operate that way.

I guess. Could their "movement" not heavily influence the creation of the "genre"? You've got a bunch of rappers pushing the "gangster" lifestyle into the tape decks and cd players of quite a few people......it doesn't seem like it would take a rocket scientist to call the stuff "gangsta rap".

Almost everything you see and hear in the media is deliberate. That doesn't make everything a result of a "conspiracy" but it's all deliberate. "Deliberate to accomplish what" is the question.

It's like a "chicken or egg" type issue. Were record execs just responding to the artists' and fans' interests or were the artists' and fans' interests in response to the money put into the creation and marketing of a genre of music? I don't know but it's interesting.

It is interesting, indeed.

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[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by macallan25

I've listened to all of this stuff for a while. I don't need wikipedia to tell me anything. Thanks though.

Sure.

That wasn't a slight at you. But go ahead and claim your "gangsta rap pass."