Tiers in The SEC

[UTLonghorn2012]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

The "public-schools-that-might-as-well-be-private" is alot of what the Delta is. I take that back...alot of the schools aren't wealthy at all, but the people who are go to the UofA, the ones that aren't end up at UCA, SAU, or elsewhere. Very stratified.

Bolles is definitely a great school from everything I've been told.

The tier system of Universities is very based on the schools which the University recruits from.

Ole Miss and Alabama all have lots of people from Jackson and Mobile. Key recruiting areas in terms of top-notch fraternity men.

Texas has the entire state, which include cities I've mentioned before (HP, Tyler, parts of Houston)

Part of Kentucky's problem is that it draws alot from Ohio...which isn't so good. This is my problem with Arkansas (which draws heavily from the north Dallas, Oklahoma, and Missouri, and northwest Arkansas) Just my opinion, though.

What is it with Tyler? Tyler does not strike me as the sort of place that is the breeding ground for good fraternity men. There are some really nice parts (like most towns), but it's really a redneck capital.

And what's wrong with North Dallas? Have you ever seen Preston Hollow? Or west Plano? I know the folks haven't been rich since before the War like a lot of fraternity men, but there are a lot of quality people in Dallas and its northern suburbs.

[bowsandtoes]

Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

What is it with Tyler? Tyler does not strike me as the sort of place that is the breeding ground for good fraternity men. There are some really nice parts (like most towns), but it's really a redneck capital.

And what's wrong with North Dallas? Have you ever seen Preston Hollow? Or west Plano? I know the folks haven't been rich since before the War like a lot of fraternity men, but there are a lot of quality people in Dallas and its northern suburbs.

Tyler is pretty much where 'the South' ends (I'd say 'the West' begins in Ft Worth, Dallas is just in limbo). As such, it's one of the few places in Texas that holds onto any kind of Southern charm. Dallas and Houston also have their share of ghettos but that doesn't mean that other parts of the town aren't nice.

And west Plano (Plano in general really) is the definition of new money. And most people don't have a really feel from the boundaries of Preston Hollow. What most people consider authentic Preston Hollow is Royal lane to the North, NW Hwy to the South, Hillcrest to the East, and Midway to the West. Suburbs like Plano, Frisco, and Allen are nice for stocking the middle tiers at schools like OU, Tech, and Arkansas.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

And what's wrong with North Dallas? Have you ever seen Preston Hollow? Or west Plano? I know the folks haven't been rich since before the War like a lot of fraternity men, but there are a lot of quality people in Dallas and its northern suburbs.

I use to live in Dallas. There are quality people in Dallas of course. Some of the top recruits in Arkansas rush come from there. However, the majority of the Plano kids go into the third tier here. There are lots of exceptions, but it seems to be the rule.

Often times, I'd rather rush a guy who was middle-class instead of someone from new money as such in Plano and so forth. I have alot of great friends in Plano and it's a mostly fine town.

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

What is it with Tyler? Tyler does not strike me as the sort of place that is the breeding ground for good fraternity men. There are some really nice parts (like most towns), but it's really a redneck capital.

Seriously?

Agreed that most, if not all, of the areas surrounding Tyler are rather redneck. But most of south Tyler has the qualities of what those on this thread seem to hold so dear. Talk about "Old Money..." um, oil anyone?

Also, does the term "Rose Festival" mean anything to you? Talk about an old Southern Tradition that is just reeks of Old Money. Everyone knows the title of Rose Queen is bought and not won. And the Queen's coronation dress costs more than most people spend on new cars.

ETA: Rose Festival Website for those who are curious: http://www.texasrosefestival.com/

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Blondie93

Seriously?

Agreed that most, if not all, of the areas surrounding Tyler are rather redneck. But most of south Tyler has the qualities of what those on this thread seem to hold so dear. Talk about "Old Money..." um, oil anyone?

Also, does the term "Rose Festival" mean anything to you? Talk about an old Southern Tradition that is just reeks of Old Money. Everyone knows the title of Rose Queen is bought and not won. And the Queen's coronation dress costs more than most people spend on new cars.

ETA: Rose Festival Website for those who are curious: http://www.texasrosefestival.com/

Are you from Tyler? Definitely haven't seen the Rose Fest spoken of on here before.

I was an escort in 2004. You do it your sophomore year of college. Absolute blast.

As far as the queen......that wasn't always true. For a long time she was always chosen from families who have had long histories in Tyler. Not so much anymore. It really is getting to be about who can afford it.......and the prices are astronomical for the girls. Us guys need a few suits and a tux.....no big deal. I believe the queen's total our year was upwards of 400,000-500,000$ including ball gowns, dresses, the queen's dress, parties, etc. etc.

[UTLonghorn2012]

Originally Posted by Blondie93

Seriously?

Agreed that most, if not all, of the areas surrounding Tyler are rather redneck. But most of south Tyler has the qualities of what those on this thread seem to hold so dear. Talk about "Old Money..." um, oil anyone?

Also, does the term "Rose Festival" mean anything to you? Talk about an old Southern Tradition that is just reeks of Old Money. Everyone knows the title of Rose Queen is bought and not won. And the Queen's coronation dress costs more than most people spend on new cars.

ETA: Rose Festival Website for those who are curious: http://www.texasrosefestival.com/

Like I said, there are nice parts (basically most of the Lee High School area) and not so nice parts.

The Rose Festival is a pretty big money thing, but not any more so than, say, debuting at Idlewild.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

Like I said, there are nice parts (basically most of the Lee High School area) and not so nice parts.

Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

What is it with Tyler? Tyler does not strike me as the sort of place that is the breeding ground for good fraternity men. There are some really nice parts (like most towns), but it's really a redneck capital.

Word of advice sport. You ignorantly talk like this during rush down here and I promise you, good houses won't give you the time of fucking day. For one, you sound like a prick. Two, there are a lot of guys in some really good houses at UT that are all from East Texas. I'm sure we'd all love to hear you tell us in person about the "redneck capitals" that we are all from. All you are doing here is making yourself look like a typical Dallas asshole.

Your assessment of Tyler is ignorant and really not even close to accurate. That's all I'm going to say. If you care to tell me more about the city I'm from I'm all ears.

As far as your comments about Tyler being a breeding ground for fraternity men.......it is exactly the kind of place that spits out guys that are capable of going anywhere and getting in very good houses, and it's done consistently. There isn't a city in Texas more Southern in all aspects of life. That should be plenty enough explanation.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Word of advice sport. You ignorantly talk like this during rush down here and I promise you, good houses won't give you the time of fucking day. For one, you sound like a prick. Two, there are a lot of guys in some really good houses at UT that are all from East Texas. I'm sure we'd all love to hear you tell us in person about the "redneck capitals" that we are all from. All you are doing here is making yourself look like a typical Dallas asshole.

Your assessment of Tyler is ignorant and really not even close to accurate. That's all I'm going to say. If you care to tell me more about the city I'm from I'm all ears.

As far as your comments about Tyler being a breeding ground for fraternity men.......it is exactly the kind of place that spits out guys that are capable of going anywhere and getting in very good houses, and it's done consistently. There isn't a city in Texas more Southern in all aspects of life. That should be plenty enough explanation.

macallan speaks alot of truth.

Be respectful. Depending on the part of Dallas, they're not always looked that well upon. Walk on eggshells throughout rush and pledgeships in terms of offending people. You can be a dick afterwards if you so choose.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

What is it with Tyler? Tyler does not strike me as the sort of place that is the breeding ground for good fraternity men. There are some really nice parts (like most towns), but it's really a redneck capital.

And what's wrong with North Dallas? Have you ever seen Preston Hollow? Or west Plano? I know the folks haven't been rich since before the War like a lot of fraternity men, but there are a lot of quality people in Dallas and its northern suburbs.

I have lived in Tyler since I was around 3. That isn't even close to true. Surrounding areas being redneck? Yeah, very much so. Tyler? No. Unless you really know Tyler, it's hard to get a sense of what it is really like. Very Southern, very conservative, very wealthy, old money type city. The history behind it, especially the social scene and the things that have gone on there are mind blowing.......stuff you make movies about.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

What is it with Tyler? Tyler does not strike me as the sort of place that is the breeding ground for good fraternity men. There are some really nice parts (like most towns), but it's really a redneck capital.

And what's wrong with North Dallas? Have you ever seen Preston Hollow? Or west Plano? I know the folks haven't been rich since before the War like a lot of fraternity men, but there are a lot of quality people in Dallas and its northern suburbs.

Well, don't confuse Southeast Texas with Northeast Texas. To follow up on what macallan said, my family comes from another small town in Northeast Texas- not too far from his- and we were founders of the town. Coming from an old Northeast Texas family is about as good a Texas blue-blood credential as you can get.

As for North Dallas- like others said there is lots of new money and there are lots of transplants there. Not necessarily bad people, but in my days at UT there were 2 large fraternities where a significant number of North Dallas people went because they did not have a lot of options.

Houston has areas like that too. When I was an active I focused on Houston rush and hearing some rushee go on about how they were from Sugarland like it was something special was a big strike in my book.

Just to clarify though before it gets lost in this discussion- people are going to look at you first and how you present yourself- in attire, behavior, discretion and treatment of women. If you fit in to what a chapter wants, you will know it and they will know it.

If you are borderline, then where you came from and who can vouch for you can affect decisions since it gives secondary information which is important.

Think of it like a job interview. If you go on a job interview and the people who will decide whether to hire you are on the fence about how the interview went- then they will look more closely at your resume, grades and school to make a final decision. Granted that was looked at when you first applied, but it will be more carefully considered if you do not ace the interview process. And as always, it is better to just be yourself and see where it goes. Putting on a fake front does not work in job interviews- and it doesn't work when rushing good chapters since they will want to meet you several times before they decide, giving plenty of time to see what is really there.

And that is how the world works in general. Sure coming from certain areas you will have something extra to prove over someone from a known and trusted environment, but it does not rule you out automatically.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Just to clarify though before it gets lost in this discussion- people are going to look at you first and how you present yourself- in attire, behavior, discretion and treatment of women. If you fit in to what a chapter wants, you will know it and they will know it.

If you are borderline, then where you came from and who can vouch for you can affect decisions since it gives secondary information which is important.

I think this is the most important thing to learn from the thread.

[banditone]

EW, I think you should start a Tiers of the Big 12.