McCain shows his 'foreign expertise' in Jordan

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I certainly don't want Barack Obama answering that phone.

Sorry, but if you can't acknowledge where the threats to America originate, then I certainly don't trust you to protect us.

Shiner...I respect that opinion....I also feel like I dont want me leader going somewhere and misquoting wrong information especially when they are AT thier doorstep selling themselves.



Kinda like we 'knew' where the WMDs were

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Shiner...I respect that opinion....I also feel like I dont want me leader going somewhere and misquoting wrong information especially when they are AT thier doorstep selling themselves.



Kinda like we 'knew' where the WMDs were

Then I guess you can disqualify anyone involved in American, British, Australian or Israeli intelligence from candidacy.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Then I guess you can disqualify anyone involved in American, British, Australian or Israeli intelligence from candidacy.

Yup...'fraid so


"Intelligence"...an oxymoron at times....

[moe.ron]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Then I guess you can disqualify anyone involved in American, British, Australian or Israeli intelligence from candidacy.

To go back:

British intelligence plagiarized a 3 years old doctoral thesis as their case for war.

Australian intelligence presented exactly the same case as the Americans, they have no intelligence presence whatsoever inside Iraq

American intelligence was at best speculative, but Rumsfeld and Cheney decided to silence those who question the assessment for the war.

Overall, it was a major intelligence failure which has never been truly investigated.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

To go back:

British intelligence plagiarized a 3 years old doctoral thesis as their case for war.

Australian intelligence presented exactly the same case as the Americans, they have no intelligence presence whatsoever inside Iraq

American intelligence was at best speculative, but Rumsfeld and Cheney decided to silence those who question the assessment for the war.

Overall, it was a major intelligence failure which has never been truly investigated.

the video BTW

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

To go back:

British intelligence plagiarized a 3 years old doctoral thesis as their case for war.

Australian intelligence presented exactly the same case as the Americans, they have no intelligence presence whatsoever inside Iraq

American intelligence was at best speculative, but Rumsfeld and Cheney decided to silence those who question the assessment for the war.

Overall, it was a major intelligence failure which has never been truly investigated.

All three countries held investigations and blamed widespread intelligence failure. Most everything else is speculation and often tainted by personalities of questionable credibility.

[shinerbock]

I don't want a shakeup that involves less autonomy, larger government, a weaker stance on terror, and Tribe-like SCOTUS justices. Sorry.

[PeppyGPhiB]

A slip of the tongue is one thing, but I'm not so sure that's what this was. If he doesn't understand the difference between the two Muslim sects or the "organizations" that support them (Al-Q vs. general insurgents), that's a problem. And after reading the comments in full and in context, it doesn't really seem like it was just a slip of the tongue, but a fundamental misunderstanding of what's happening.

On a separate note, I agree with the "dude's old" comments. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but by the time he would take office, he'd be older than Reagan was. I think McCain's running mate will become very important to his candidacy, and that we'll start to hear a lot more about his age as the selection of that running mate approaches.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I don't want a shakeup that involves less autonomy, larger government, a weaker stance on terror, and Tribe-like SCOTUS justices. Sorry.

Because the last 8 years have given us such shining examples of greater individual freedoms, a retraction in the size of the government, unmitigated success in targeting and really "defeating" terrorism (like that's possible... we still can't find bin laden for god's sake)?? And I have no comment on the SCOTUS because it's too split and they handed Bush his first term and I'm still not over it.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Because the last 8 years have given us such shining examples of greater individual freedoms, a retraction in the size of the government, unmitigated success in targeting and really "defeating" terrorism (like that's possible... we still can't find bin laden for god's sake)?? And I have no comment on the SCOTUS because it's too split and they handed Bush his first term and I'm still not over it.

Do I hint sarcasm? I agree completely though, Bush is the complete opposite of what a conservative should be.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Because the last 8 years have given us such shining examples of greater individual freedoms, a retraction in the size of the government, unmitigated success in targeting and really "defeating" terrorism (like that's possible... we still can't find bin laden for god's sake)?? And I have no comment on the SCOTUS because it's too split and they handed Bush his first term and I'm still not over it.

Do tell, what the hell does the next President have to do with Bush? Are you conceding the point that Obama will give us all of those things? If so, fine, and then we can get into whether my voting for GWB is hypocritical or not.

So I guess you'd be ok if the liberal half of SCOTUS had attempted to give the election to Gore? By the way, guess who represented Gore in his first trip to the Court? Lawrence Tribe.