Beta Chi at Leigh Univ

[Oldest_Pledge]

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

It is that literal. ...So, I asked my professor to elaborate about whether alcohol present in front of pledges constitutes under the legal definition and he said yes, because the pledges could feel obligated due to their status within the situation, and therefor be 'discomforted.'

So ask him if alcohol present within 300 miles of the chapter house is also cause for "discomfort" (from you post above) as my ACLU lawyer friends state based on your very first post concerning the definition of hazing.

What about a pledge who lives at home? If Dad has beer in the fridge, is it now hazing because the son is pledge of any GLO because there is beer at home?

[ZZ-kai-]

Wow, what did the AO do that makes you hate them so much? Laws are in place for a reason....

[Oldest_Pledge]

Originally Posted by ZZ-kai-

Wow, what did the AO do that makes you hate them so much?

Not hate, just disappointed..when the ISU Colony was closed, I was at some Army training (Reserves so I could pay for college). My fellow pledges were initiated at the convention that summer while I was gone.

The AO did not answer any letters I wrote asking for help in completing my initiation. Not even so much as a "we are sorry, but we can not help you" letter. I had to wait 20 years before I met Mr. Brant at a Boy Scout function to complete my journey.

Originally Posted by ZZ-kai-

Laws are in place for a reason....

Yes, this is true. I am asking about the interpretation and application of the laws. AEBOT's statement makes it appear that any alcohol, however remote, is hazing.

So is it any alcohol within 300 miles of a chapter, any alcohol on campus, any alcohol in the after-shave? Or even, the potential of alcohol being in purchased by a legal, 21 year old Active but kept locked up in his personal off campus house? The Active still "has possesion" of alcohol, but the pledge can not get to it at the chapter house.

Where is the line? AEBOT's professor would make it seem that any alcohol available on the planet is hazing of a pledge.