Beta Chi at Leigh Univ

[Coramoor]

Technically, it is hazing, because the house had alcohol available to the pledges.

That doesn't sound quite right. Was I being hazed every time my family got together for a BBQ and had a keg there? It was available, I was underage, I saw all the adults drinking...was I coerced into drinking also?

If they pledges were made to drink, yes-clear violation and they need to be punished. On the other hand, if a legal adult choose to break the law by drinking and further by drinking himself in to a stupor, that is no ones fault but his own. When does personal responsibility come into play?

Again, clear RM violation, but not one that should end an otherwise good chapter.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by Coramoor

That doesn't sound quite right. Was I being hazed every time my family got together for a BBQ and had a keg there? It was available, I was underage, I saw all the adults drinking...was I coerced into drinking also?

If they pledges were made to drink, yes-clear violation and they need to be punished. On the other hand, if a legal adult choose to break the law by drinking and further by drinking himself in to a stupor, that is no ones fault but his own. When does personal responsibility come into play?

Again, clear RM violation, but not one that should end an otherwise good chapter.

It is technically hazing, and basically the hazing laws are so broad that most likely we have all been hazed unintentionally during out time. I mean, TECHNICALLY any kind of test is hazing. I don't agree with it all, but if they wanted to say it was hazing they could.

Also legally, the host of the event is responsible. Someone bought the alcohol, and "let" the minors drink it, whether they told them they could or they just didn't stop them.

The law works to trap people pretty much when the law wants to.

Again, I still don't agree with the chapter being diminished. However, they are fighting an up hill battle.

[ECUJacob]

But there is no worse sign you can send to the world about the ability to self-govern than to let 2 pledges get to near fatal levels of intoxication on their first night as a part of our organization.

I am inclined to agree. It's one thing to celebrate and enjoy each other's company. It is quite another to drink in excess to the point of hospitalizing two new members.

Technically, it is hazing, because the house had alcohol available to the pledges. That constitutes as hazing in and of itself.

The only way this would be true is if the brother's or their representatives made it appear mandatory to drink or that some negative consequence would occur if they didn't. This situation is clearly against Beta's Risk Management Policy. However, I feel the chapter could likely be educated and changed with some involvement from the University and others. However, it's not up to us (alumni). The President's will likely be asked to vote in August.