Most chapters at Phi Beta Kappa schools

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by kddani

The OP seems to constantly be striving to find some sort of measuring stick by which to compare GLOs and figure out how they all measure up.

And that never plays well here where any mention other than "no matter the letter we're all Greeks together" is rebuffed.

oldu, I appreciate your time and effort and find your threads interesting and informative.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Some of these schools are great and would be considered "elite" by nonPBK standards.

However, some of these colleges and universities aren't considered "elite" by nonPBK standards. In fact, I would chuckle if people from some of these colleges and universities called themselves "elite."

I know the ones here in MN wouldn't call themselves elite. And one of my alma maters is listed and I KNOW it is not elitist.

After reading the list the premise of this thread seems to be dubious.

[oldu]

Whew! We have some rude and angry people on this site. I hope their manners are better when they can't hide behind anonymity. If a subject isn't interesting to you, why not just pass and find one that is.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by oldu

Phi Beta Kappa has a very select standard for placing its chapters so it is a pretty good gauge for determnining which institutions are the likeliest to have the brightest students that we would all want in our organizations. Here is a list of the sororities and fraternities which have the most chapters at Phi beta Kappa schools:

(6) Chi Omega 89

I counted 90, but I'll let it slide.

[alum]

Here is a listing of all colleges and universities with Phi Beta Kappa chapters
http://staging.pbk.org/AM/Template.c...chapterdir.cfm

This is an application for an educational institution to be considered for PBK. It asks various questions regarding tenured faculty, terminal degree percentages, etc. http://staging.pbk.org/AM/Template.c...ContentID=1750

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by alum

Here is a listing of all colleges and universities with Phi Beta Kappa chapters
http://staging.pbk.org/AM/Template.c...chapterdir.cfm

Thanks for this link.

[alum]

There are definitely academically elite institutions that do not have Phi Beta Kappa chapters. USMA, USNA, USAFA are absent as well as Caltech, arguably one of the finest engineering schools in the country. PBK doesn't recognize many programs that lead to professional degrees such as engineering (which knocks out the 4 I mentioned).

I also see many schools on that list that are not exactly known for their academic prowess.

[DSTCHAOS]

So this thread sucks.

[alum]

I like oldu's posts. I don't think he/she's putting down or ranking any of the groups. Oldu is simply stating facts. Look at AEPhi. They are not one of the "larger" NPC groups yet they are careful where they put their chapters and it shows by the fact that they are at so many PBK schools.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by oldu

By the way I do these kinds of postings because I think it is healthy for us to constantly compare our success (or lack of) with others. Good healthy competition is what makes us better.

Originally Posted by alum

I like oldu's posts. I don't think he/she's putting down or ranking any of the groups. Oldu is simply stating facts. Look at AEPhi. They are not one of the "larger" NPC groups yet they are careful where they put their chapters and it shows by the fact that they are at so many PBK schools.

You are both missing the point. Just because a school has a PBK chapter, doesn't mean it is of higher caliber than a school that doesn't - or a place where Greeks would necessarily succeed. Wilson College, for example. I don't think the home of the Women With Children program is going to be a hotbed of Greek life. I don't think sororities and fraternities are going to be falling over themselves to be colonizing at some of these schools just because there is a PBK chapter.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by alum

Look at AEPhi. They are not one of the "larger" NPC groups yet they are careful where they put their chapters and it shows by the fact that they are at so many PBK schools.

This is an interesting line of reasoning and perhaps you have the inside scoop.

Generally speaking, social/service GLOs and universities have a decision making process that determines where chapters are. This process is usually independent of where PBK thinks is worthy and also independent of what places are considered "elite" by whatever standards.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

This is an interesting line of reasoning and perhaps you have the inside scoop.

The flaw in that theory, though, is basing their % of PBK chapters only on chapters that are open now. In reality, they've chartered more chapters than that so they might not be as "careful" as it appears.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by 33girl

The flaw in that theory, though, is basing their % of PBK chapters only on chapters that are open now. In reality, they've chartered more chapters than that so they might not be as "careful" as it appears.

Agreed.

[alum]

Phi Beta Kappa is an academic honor society. Their governing board that charters and oversees their chapters at various educational institutions isn't going by the percentage of students that pledged a social GLO.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by alum

Phi Beta Kappa is an academic honor society. Their governing board that charters and oversees their chapters at various educational institutions isn't going by the percentage of students that pledged a social GLO.

Which is exactly why this thread is pointless.

It doesn't matter if every kid in the school is smarter than Einstein if they all think Greeks are the Devil. Maybe there are chapters at some of these schools, but maybe they also are the size of a baby pea and constantly struggling to stay open. Some of these schools are places we've discussed on here as terrible risk management risks. Just having a chapter at a PBK-possessing school doesn't make the GLO "stronger" if the chapter is a terrible ROI.